Calling it "Politically Motivated"

[Markk]

Cakes guess you have nothing to offer.

Not true. I can read those links out loud for you, for $100 a link.

You have to admit, that’s a reasonable cost.

You might want to sign up soon, though. After next week, I’m imposing a tariff of 25% on that cost.

What links, are you saying you linked a coherent Democrat plan?

[canpakes]

Not true. I can read those links out loud for you, for $100 a link.

You have to admit, that’s a reasonable cost.

You might want to sign up soon, though. After next week, I’m imposing a tariff of 25% on that cost.

What links, are you saying you linked a coherent Democrat plan?

Sorry, Markk. I need payment first before I start reading aloud for you.

[Gunnar]

So you don't want to address tariffs, which is the current discussion path?

Let me ask you this, do you own that book and have you read it? I have a lot of questions for you if you have read the book and can expound on it, but there is no use asking questions if you have not read the book.

Trump's attitude about tariffs is at least partially consistent with the aims of the hard right corporate entities trying desperately to own the government, especially the judicial system as documented by Sheldon Whitehouse.

I don't own the book and have not directly read it yet, but I have been following the lectures explaining and outlining the corrupt, anti-democratic aims clearly, credibly and damnably documented in the book. I suggest you take an honest look at them yourself.

Perhaps Sheldon Whitehouse's brilliant and continuing exposé of "The Scheme" by ultra-right corporate oligarchies to capture the Supreme court, using "dark money", to serve as a wholly owned tool to serve their own selfish and malign purposes deserves a separate thread of its own.

[Markk]

So you don't want to address tariffs, which is the current discussion path?

Let me ask you this, do you own that book and have you read it? I have a lot of questions for you if you have read the book and can expound on it, but there is no use asking questions if you have not read the book.

Trump's attitude about tariffs is at least partially consistent with the aims of the hard right corporate entities trying desperately to own the government, especially the judicial system as documented by Sheldon Whitehouse.

I don't own the book and have not directly read it yet, but I have been following the lectures explaining and outlining the corrupt, anti-democratic aims clearly, credibly and damnably documented in the book. I suggest you take an honest look at them yourself.

Perhaps Sheldon Whitehouse's brilliant and continuing exposé of "The Scheme" by ultra-right corporate oligarchies to capture the Supreme court, using "dark money", to serve as a wholly owned tool to serve their own selfish and malign purposes deserves a separate thread of its own.

Gunnar, if you did not read the book, yet imply it is brilliant, why should I suppose you are well informed with S-W? In your youtube watching, in general, how did the wealthy business men, and who are they, stack the courts, especially the the Supreme Court? It seems to me it is more of the luck of the draw and planning, in that if Hillary would have won, there is no doubt the court would be much different. And how would you compare that to George Soros and his funding of left leaning judges in elections?

I want to be fair, so out of the videos you watched, which one do you recommend that would best support your assertions? I'll watch it and we can discuss it....fair? I will even buy the book and we can go through it together if you like? Then maybe I can offer up a book or even a video or podcast that you can read, watch, or listen to and we can discuss that.

[Gunnar]

Markk, first of all, I apologize for taking so long to respond to this post. I spent a lot of time and effort on other issues, and I also wanted to review and watch all 35 of Sheldon Whitehouse's so far available "The Scheme" presentations, which brilliantly expose the corruption and capture of the Supreme Court by totally unscrupulous billionaires using dark money, before making a comprehensive reply

Gunnar, if you did not read the book, yet imply it is brilliant, why should I suppose you are well informed with S-W? In your youtube watching, in general, how did the wealthy business men, and who are they, stack the courts, especially the the Supreme Court? It seems to me it is more of the luck of the draw and planning, in that if Hillary would have won, there is no doubt the court would be much different. And how would you compare that to George Soros and his funding of left leaning judges in elections?

My assessment of the book's brilliance is based on the brilliance of Whitehouse's presentations on which the book is based. I am going to order the book and read it. I'll let you know when I have. But it won't be as up to date as Whitehouse's latest The Scheme episodes. As for George Soros, I have only the highest regards for him and what he is trying to accomplish. I think he has been unfairly and dishonestly maligned by conservatives and conservative media for some very obvious and not so honorable reasons. From Wikipedia

As of March 2020, Forbes magazine listed Soros as the 162nd richest person in the world, with a net worth of $8.3 billion.[219] He has also donated 64% of his original fortune, of which more than $15 billion has been distibuted through his Open Society Foundations (an international grant making network that supports advancing justice, education, public health and independent media). Forbes has called him the most generous giver (when measured as a percentage of net worth).[12]

Soros has been active as a philanthropist since the 1970s, when he began providing funds to help black students attend the University of Cape Town in apartheid South Africa,[108] and began funding dissident movements behind the Iron Curtain.[citation needed]

Soros's philanthropic funding includes efforts to promote non-violent democratization in the post-communist states. These efforts, mostly in Central and Eastern Europe, occur primarily through the Open Society Foundations (originally Open Society Institute or OSI) and national Soros Foundations, which sometimes go under other names (such as the Stefan Batory Foundation in Poland). As of 2003, PBS estimated that he had given away a total of $4 billion.[89] The OSI says it has spent about $500 million annually in recent years.

In 2003, former Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker wrote in the foreword of Soros's book The Alchemy of Finance:

George Soros has made his mark as an enormously successful speculator, wise enough to largely withdraw when still way ahead of the game. The bulk of his enormous winnings is now devoted to encouraging transitional and emerging nations to become "open societies", open not only in the sense of freedom of commerce but—more important—tolerant of new ideas and different modes of thinking and behavior.[220]

Time magazine in 2007 cited two specific projects—$100 million toward Internet infrastructure for regional Russian universities, and $50 million for the Millennium Promise to eradicate extreme poverty in Africa—noting that Soros had given $742 million to projects in the U.S., and given away a total of more than $7 billion.[221]

What is there to disparage or condemn about that? The mere fact that he is so hated by authoritarian tyrants like Viktor Orbán of Hungary is positive evidence in his favor! I am not opposed to him funding efforts to appoint more fair-minded and progressive judges who really have the needs and just concerns of their fellow Americans at heart, both wealthy and poor, and who passionately support democracy and oppose unfair voter suppression efforts.

I want to be fair, so out of the videos you watched, which one do you recommend that would best support your assertions? I'll watch it and we can discuss it....fair? I will even buy the book and we can go through it together if you like? Then maybe I can offer up a book or even a video or podcast that you can read, watch, or listen to and we can discuss that.

Here, again, is the entire playlist of his presentations so far: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... rpWjPN9_ms

I recommend that you watch the entire list, in order, starting with The Scheme Speech 1: The Powell Report, as they present an extremely compelling and well documented picture of how seriously the court has already been corrupted and used by wealthy oligarchs for their own selfish purposes. But you are probably not willing to go to that much effort now. So I suggest these episodes, for now:

The Scheme 27: The Myth of the Unelected Bureaucrat

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January 24 | Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Courts Subcommittee, delivers the twenty-seventh in a series of speeches titled “The Scheme,” exposing the machinations by right-wing donor interests to capture the Supreme Court and achieve through the Court what they cannot through the elected branches of government.

Whitehouse discusses Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo, a case pending before the Supreme Court that could overturn Chevron deference. That doctrine, a cornerstone of administrative law for nearly 40 years, grants agencies the flexibility they need to issue regulations that protect Americans’ health and safety. Whitehouse details how Loper is the product of a larger, decades-long effort by pro-corporate interests to eviscerate the federal government’s regulatory apparatus, to the detriment of the American people.

The Scheme 29: Fake Facts and "Knight Errantry" at the Supreme Court

155,243 views Mar 6, 2024
March 6 | Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Courts Subcommittee, delivers the twenty-ninth in a series of speeches titled “The Scheme,” exposing the machinations by right-wing donor interests to capture the Supreme Court and achieve through the Court what they cannot through the elected branches of government.

Whitehouse details the findings of his latest law review article, entitled “Knights-Errant: The Roberts Court and Erroneous Fact-Finding.” Whitehouse’s article sheds light on the Court’s propensity for relying on extra-record – and often false – facts that lend advantage to Republican or corporate special interests. The article details bogus and uncorrected facts in Supreme Court decisions, explains their consequences in disrupting settled precedents, and explores actions the judicial and legislative branches could take to ensure the Court cleans up factual errors and kicks its fact-finding habit.

The Scheme 30: An Update on the Captured Supreme Court

303,744 views Mar 21, 2024
March 21 | Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Courts Subcommittee, delivers the thirtieth in a series of speeches titled “The Scheme,” exposing the machinations by right-wing donor interests to capture the Supreme Court and achieve through the Court what they cannot through the elected branches of government.

Whitehouse recaps what we know about the right-wing special interest Court capture operation and the ethics-free zone around the Supreme Court. Whitehouse also provides an update on his ongoing legislative and oversight efforts on courts issues.

Unfortunately, his ongoing legislative reforms and oversight efforts are likely to be squashed mercilessly by the Trump Administration which profits immensely financially and otherwise from the continuing and likely to get worse corruption and capture of the Supreme Court by totally unscrupulous billionaire oligarchs.

[Markk]

Gunnar you wrote...

Gunner: Markk, first of all, I apologize for taking so long to respond to this post. I spent a lot of time and effort on other issues, and I also wanted to review and watch all 35 of Sheldon Whitehouse's so far available "The Scheme" presentations, which brilliantly expose the corruption and capture of the Supreme Court by totally unscrupulous billionaires using dark money, before making a comprehensive reply

Then you wrote...

Gunnar: Markk, first of all, I apologize for taking so long to respond to this post. I spent a lot of time and effort on other issues, and I also wanted to review and watch all 35 of Sheldon Whitehouse's so far available "The Scheme" presentations, which brilliantly expose the corruption and capture of the Supreme Court by totally unscrupulous billionaires using dark money, before making a comprehensive reply

You hadn't read the book, but based it's brilliance on videos you hadn't watch all of?

But anyway thanks, I will listen to the first video today, and get back with you, and after you read the book let me know

In the meanwhile please give me an abstract, in your own words, of what the video series speaks to, and your conclusion, again in your own words.

It would also be helpful is you would give me your definition of a oligarch, again in your own words?

In regard to George Soros you wrote " As for George Soros, I have only the highest regards for him and what he is trying to accomplish."

In your own words what is Soros trying to accomplish?

[canpakes]

In the meanwhile please give me an abstract, in your own words, of what the video series speaks to, and your conclusion, again in your own words.

It would also be helpful is you would give me your definition of a oligarch, again in your own words?

In regard to George Soros you wrote " As for George Soros, I have only the highest regards for him and what he is trying to accomplish."

In your own words what is Soros trying to accomplish?

I think that you’re first due to - in your own words - explain how Trump’s tariff boondoggle is going to spark and industrial renaissance and restore a healthy middle class.

[Gunnar]

Gunnar you wrote...

Gunner: Markk, first of all, I apologize for taking so long to respond to this post. I spent a lot of time and effort on other issues, and I also wanted to review and watch all 35 of Sheldon Whitehouse's so far available "The Scheme" presentations, which brilliantly expose the corruption and capture of the Supreme Court by totally unscrupulous billionaires using dark money, before making a comprehensive reply

Then you wrote...

Gunnar: Markk, first of all, I apologize for taking so long to respond to this post. I spent a lot of time and effort on other issues, and I also wanted to review and watch all 35 of Sheldon Whitehouse's so far available "The Scheme" presentations, which brilliantly expose the corruption and capture of the Supreme Court by totally unscrupulous billionaires using dark money, before making a comprehensive reply

You hadn't read the book, but based it's brilliance on videos you hadn't watch all of?

Don't be ridiculous! I didn't necessarily have to watch all of them to perceive their brilliance. I had already watched most of them, and then rewatched all of them to refresh my memory.

But anyway thanks, I will listen to the first video today, and get back with you, and after you read the book let me know

In the meanwhile please give me an abstract, in your own words, of what the video series speaks to, and your conclusion, again in your own words.

If you think I haven't already done that, then you haven't been paying attention. It is clear that the videos speak to the systematic, decades long attempts by hard right conservatives to capture and transform the Supreme Court into a tool that mainly benefits their own selfish interests, to the detriment of anyone opposed to them.

It would also be helpful is you would give me your definition of a oligarch, again in your own words?

The dictionary definition should suffice. An oligarch is a member of an oligarchy, which means a government by the few in which the citizens have no or very little voice. In other words, a kind of tyranny.

In regard to George Soros you wrote " As for George Soros, I have only the highest regards for him and what he is trying to accomplish."

In your own words what is Soros trying to accomplish?

That should have been glaringly obvious by the quote from Wikipedia that I provided. He is trying to promote democracy, fairness and freedom for all to pursue worthwhile goals, well-being and happiness, as advocated in our Declaration of Independence. Do you have any problem with that? None of the above should have been difficult for you to deduce from what you have already seen me write! Do you think I have been insufficiently pedantic?

[Gunnar]

In the meanwhile please give me an abstract, in your own words, of what the video series speaks to, and your conclusion, again in your own words.

It would also be helpful is you would give me your definition of a oligarch, again in your own words?

In regard to George Soros you wrote " As for George Soros, I have only the highest regards for him and what he is trying to accomplish."

In your own words what is Soros trying to accomplish?

I think that you’re first due to - in your own words - explain how Trump’s tariff boondoggle is going to spark and industrial renaissance and restore a healthy middle class.

Excellent Point!

[Gadianton]

explain how Trump’s tariff boondoggle is going to spark and industrial renaissance and restore a healthy middle class.

lol. It's hilarious how far off the "world conqueror" approach differs from his advisor Stephen Miran's white paper on how to make tariffs work, which was written before the election. Boy has he had to walk it back. If South Park hasn't done a Eric Cartman version of implementing tariffs they've got a script ready to go.

I guess those who think Trump is nailing it don't want to manufacture electronic items here in the US. I'd like them to explain what industries we need to re-shore, and why we'll build middle-class wealth with those but not electronics.