Charlie Kirk shot at UVU in Orem

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Oh, boy. Yet another transgender drag queen was ID’d as the shooter at the Dallas ICE facility:

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THEY grievously wounded three ICE AGENTS, Miguel Ángel García-Hernandez of Mexico, Jose Andres Bordones-Molina of Venezuela and Norlan Guzman-Fuentes, who were being transferred to a detainee facility.

When will these transgenders ever stop shooting our courageous PEACE KEEPERS?!

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Another transgendered drag queen went crazy and fired into a restaurant from THEIR boat in killing and wounding 8 NORMAL people:

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Look at that person. Disgusting.
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Trump-supporting drag queen ID’d in LDS church assault:

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Just look at him, Ajax. That is 100% a drag queen. THEY even put a Trump sign in THEIR yard to throw people off THEIR left-wing terrorist ideology!

Disgusting.

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You may want to tell your peeps to lower the temperature, Whiskey.
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Gadianton wrote:
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You may want to tell your peeps to lower the temperature, Whiskey.
It is both sad and revealing that virtually the only debate tactic in Whiskey's repertoire seems to be finding any excuse he can invent to belittle and insult his opponents.
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Analysis Solves Kirk Case—Evidence Points Away From Robinson’s Position
This was a very interesting analysis by a firearms and forensic specialist. According to him, the bullet that killed Charlie Kirk wound near the chest cavity of his body. According to hit the high velocity bullet could not possibly have been deflected to that position after entering the entry wound in the left side of his lower neck if it had been fired from the position and angle that Tyler Robinson supposedly fired the shot. It would have to have been fired from a location at a higher and very different angle from the line of sight from where Robinson supposedly was. If it had been fired from where originally opposed, there is no way it could have failed to pass clear through Kirk's neck, or could have been deflected sharply enough to wind up where it was found. Also, the huge pressure wave created by the bullet at that location so close to the carotid artery would have instantly stopped and destroyed the heart, explaining why there was so little blood coming out of the entry wound. This makes it seem physically impossible for any shot made by Robinson to have killed Kirk.

So, it is entirely likely that the real shooter has not yet been found. One thing I am sure of, though, that Kash Patel cannot be trusted to claim any conclusion about the shooting that conflicts with Trump wants him to conclude about the shooting and culpability of extreme leftists.
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Gunnar wrote:
Mon Sep 29, 2025 9:24 pm
Analysis Solves Kirk Case—Evidence Points Away From Robinson’s Position
This was a very interesting analysis by a firearms and forensic specialist. According to him, the bullet that killed Charlie Kirk wound near the chest cavity of his body. According to hit the high velocity bullet could not possibly have been deflected to that position after entering the entry wound in the left side of his lower neck if it had been fired from the position and angle that Tyler Robinson supposedly fired the shot. It would have to have been fired from a location at a higher and very different angle from the line of sight from where Robinson supposedly was. If it had been fired from where originally opposed, there is no way it could have failed to pass clear through Kirk's neck, or could have been deflected sharply enough to wind up where it was found. Also, the huge pressure wave created by the bullet at that location so close to the carotid artery would have instantly stopped and destroyed the heart, explaining why there was so little blood coming out of the entry wound. This makes it seem physically impossible for any shot made by Robinson to have killed Kirk.

So, it is entirely likely that the real shooter has not yet been found. One thing I am sure of, though, that Kash Patel cannot be trusted to claim any conclusion about the shooting that conflicts with Trump wants him to conclude about the shooting and culpability of extreme leftists.
The link is broken.

I have read dozens of these analyses by self-styled experts, mostly contradictory, but all breathlessly announcing that Robinson could not possibly have been the shooter. What none of those folks have is the best evidence of how Robinson was killed — the body. These guys can mouth off all they want, but if the ME found the bullet or bullet fragments inside Kirk’s body, then it was possible. Not only possible, but it happened.

The world is filled with proclamations by self-proclaimed experts that “X is impossible,” when the actual truth is that their understanding of the physical world is incomplete.

We have an entire field of science called “ballistics” that includes what happens to bullets inside bodies. It’s people who shoot real bullets from real guns into animal carcasses. The very little I read from someone who does this for a living (I don’t recall who it was whether I found it), explained that, depending on the type of ammunition, it is completely plausible that the bullet or fragments thereof lodged in or near Kirk’s spine.

My understanding is that what the autopsy showed. But it’s second hand and is muddled because the source tried to turn it into some kind of miracle story. And the story is absurd. Kirk didn’t need to have a super spine. What happened was a whole bunch of contingent factors that combined to produce a low frequency, but entirely plausible outcome.

Many years ago, my family was eating dinner in an Italian restaurant. I was reading her about something, and she picked up her plate of spaghetti and acted as if she was going to hit me in the face with it. Being the smart ass kid that I was, I looked her straight in the eye and said “You. Wouldn’t. Dare.”

The next thing I knew, I had an incoming plate of spaghetti aimed squarely at my face. Out of sheer reflex, I threw my hands up in front of my face and turned my head to the side.

And, when there was no explosion of red sauce, I turned my head back to see the upright plate balanced between the tips of our fingers without a drop of spillage. If you had asked me before, I would have told you it never could have happened. But it did — a combination of contingent events that resulted in an unlikely result.

If you look around, you can find examples everywhere. But we tend to forget them when the event is traumatic, like the Kirk shooting or the collapse of the Twin Towers. How many people, including BYU professor, proclaiming that that was impossible for the planes to have caused the towers to collapse. I highly recommend reminding yourself of that whenever you hear claims made by people that such and such is impossible.

We live in scary times, and more than ever we need each other to keep ourselves sane. 😀

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Re: Charlie Kirk shot at UVU in Orem

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Gunnar wrote:
Mon Sep 29, 2025 9:24 pm
Analysis Solves Kirk Case—Evidence Points Away From Robinson’s Position
This was a very interesting analysis by a firearms and forensic specialist. According to him, the bullet that killed Charlie Kirk wound near the chest cavity of his body. According to hit the high velocity bullet could not possibly have been deflected to that position after entering the entry wound in the left side of his lower neck if it had been fired from the position and angle that Tyler Robinson supposedly fired the shot. It would have to have been fired from a location at a higher and very different angle from the line of sight from where Robinson supposedly was. If it had been fired from where originally opposed, there is no way it could have failed to pass clear through Kirk's neck, or could have been deflected sharply enough to wind up where it was found. Also, the huge pressure wave created by the bullet at that location so close to the carotid artery would have instantly stopped and destroyed the heart, explaining why there was so little blood coming out of the entry wound. This makes it seem physically impossible for any shot made by Robinson to have killed Kirk.

So, it is entirely likely that the real shooter has not yet been found. One thing I am sure of, though, that Kash Patel cannot be trusted to claim any conclusion about the shooting that conflicts with Trump wants him to conclude about the shooting and culpability of extreme leftists.
Gunnar, the last video you posted was from another 'expert' who was sure it was a palmed gun used by a security person in the front row that killed kirk. This conspiracy theory video disagrees with that, apparently, and also with many other previous conspiracy theory videos, particularly with regard to forensic and autopsy data. Your link didn't work, but I found the video elsewhere, and in the description it was noted that this 'expert' is making assumptions about data, indicating to me he doesn't have the actual forensic notes from the case. Why do you put such weight on such an analysis? Also, why do you consider this person an expert? What do you intend for people to take away from your presenting of such wildly opposing theories, especially since each time you present them as a better source of 'truth' than anything else?
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Gunnar wrote:
Mon Sep 29, 2025 9:24 pm
So, it is entirely likely that the real shooter has not yet been found.

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ceeboo wrote:
Mon Sep 29, 2025 10:58 pm
Gunnar wrote:
Mon Sep 29, 2025 9:24 pm
So, it is entirely likely that the real shooter has not yet been found.

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