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Re: Don't trust a man because he'll show you his penis

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. DoubtingThomas, you continue to start threads here and make comments that are no more than thinly veiled excerpts from the misogyny and sexism that is found in certain online groups. You think you do it clandestinely enough to hide your intent, but what we are getting is an infiltration of some very unhealthy viewpoints. No one can stop you from doing this, but that also means others are equally free to continue pointing it out.

Here's one description of your sources and influences:
>..the online misogynist “manosphere” that includes Pick Up Artists and Men’s Rights Activists, incels are known for their deep-seated pessimism and profound sense of grievance against women
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgroun ... -celibates
that's a common theme from you.
>The incel ideology is rooted in the belief that women have too much power in the sexual/romantic sphere and ruin incels’ lives by rejecting them
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgroun ... -celibates
several more of your common themes, both found in one of your most recent posts.

And now we get to the violence you keep alluding is inevitable.
>Incels are the most violent sector of the manosphere, and have perpetrated a range of deadly attacks against women

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgroun ... -celibates
You continue to elude to the violence associated with what you call 'lonely men', so let's review some of that, and the associated sexist and misogynistic ideas:
Incels, or “involuntary celibates,” are young, heterosexual men who blame women and society for their own inability to form romantic or sexual attachments. A relatively recent phenomenon, incels have the dubious honor of being the most violent element of the manosphere -- the interconnected online world of incels, PUAs (Pick up Artists), MGTOWs (Men Going Their Own Way) and MRAs (Men’s Rights Activists).

In July 2020, an MRA attacked the family of a federal judge in New Jersey, killing her son and injuring her husband.

Law enforcement officials believe violent incels have murdered at least 47 people in North America in the last six years. That number is likely low, given how little we know about incels, and how recently they have become a community of interest for law enforcement.

... Further, the label of incel adopted now describes much more than loneness or singledom, including the subset of incels who are consumed by homicidal rage.
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgroun ... -celibates
Is this the violence you continually refer to?
The [incel] moniker was attached retroactively to Marc Lepine, who in 1989 massacred 14 women at École Polytechnique in Montreal, and left behind a suicide note in which he blamed feminists for destroying his life. Since then, angry young men have taken up his cause, leaving women terrorized – and all too often, dead.

The underlying theme of incel ideology is that the current sexual “marketplace” gives women too much freedom to choose their own partners. Those partners tend not to be incels, who in turn believe they are being deprived of their sexual birthright.
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgroun ... -celibates
two more ideas you have brought up.
...The incel worldview hinges on a few key beliefs, which include a number of cryptic terms:

Women will always revert to hypergamy – using sexual or romantic partnerships to elevate one’s own status. In the incel calculus, this means 80 percent of women want to date only the “top” 20 percent of available men, lavishing their attentions on only the best-looking and richest men, and leaving the remaining 80 percent of men (including incels) without a potential partner.
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgroun ... -celibates
Another of your favorite topics.
...Beneath incels’ coded language is a seething anger towards women and a deep well of self-loathing. This is immediately evident on incel chat rooms and other online forums...
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgroun ... -celibates
it's becoming evident here too, in your posts.
Most incels don’t resort to violence, but in a growing number of cases, online threats manifest in deadly attacks, usually targeting women. America’s most infamous incel killing spree took place in May of 2014, when a man named Elliot Rodger opened fire near the campus of UC Santa Barbara.

Shortly before his rampage, Rodger posted a lengthy manifesto and video, blaming women for his unhappiness and referring to himself as “the supreme gentleman.” His attack left six women dead and 14 people wounded. Rodger, who shot himself in his car after committing the attacks, has served as inspiration for a number of incel attacks. ​

​Alek Minassian, who murdered 10 people in Toronto and Scott Beierle, who shot and killed two in Tallahassee, Florida, both name-checked Rodger, as did Carini, in Virginia. Rodger is cited frequently on incel message boards as “E.R.” – as in “I’m going to pull an E.R. one of these days.”

As public awareness about incels grows, more potential attacks are being identified and thwarted. That said, violent incels remain a significant concern; in 2020 alone, North American authorities have arrested five self-identified incels for killing or plotting to kill women. In the spring of 2020, Canadian authorities classified an alleged incel murder as an act of terrorism, signaling a new approach to addressing the incel threat.
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgroun ... -celibates
And finally, in my opinion you tipped your hand here, showing the misogynistic incel influence guiding your posts:
doubtingthomas wrote:
Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:53 pm
Some Schmo wrote:
Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:49 am
Agreed...
Sir, aren't you interested in ways to help reduce violence? I thought you cared about your daughter.

"Sociologists typically argue that violence increases when the sex ratio is male-biased because of the large pool of unmarried men (the group most prone to violence)."
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg ... 20violence).

Guess what, there are a lot more single men in their 20s than single women in their 20s.
Not only do you misinterpret your link, you misinterpret even the most basic conclusions. In light of that, why do you use your incorrect conclusions about single men to suggest violence will come to Some Schmo's daughter?
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Re: Don't trust a man because he'll show you his penis

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Marcus wrote:
Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:00 pm

Not only do you misinterpret your link, you misinterpret even the most basic conclusions. In light of that, why do you use your incorrect conclusions about single men to suggest violence will come to Some Schmo's daughter?
A lot of papers do conclude that loneliness increases violence rates. I'll come back with the citations. Have a nice day for now!

And I did not suggest that violence will come to his daughter.
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Is it just me, or is this thread putting out a strong “it's her fault, look what she was wearing” vibe?
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Re: Don't trust a man because he'll show you his penis

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doubtingthomas wrote:
Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:10 pm
I think everyone is crazy here.
It's certainly possible that everyone here, with their vast and varied educational, cultural, ethnic, social, economic, professional, and generational backgrounds is crazy.

It'd at least keep things consistent within the theme of blame-shifting.

I personally am a bit crazy though. Certifiably so. Can't legally own a firearm, and all that jazz. So... *shrug*
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Shocking new study compares male virginity to wealth inequality. Researcher says the unequal distribution is a threa

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doubtingthomas wrote:
Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:02 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:50 pm
If I were a young man in today’s scene I’d do the following:

1 - delete all social media that doesn’t directly benefit my education, career, or business

1a - lean hard into learning and becoming a master craftsman of whatever career or trade I choose

1b - lean hard into reading books on a variety of topics

2 - eat only whole foods, exercise religiously, get excellent rest

3 - develop myself spiritually and philosophically, engage in practices that encourage spiritual and philosophical growth - non-religious, by the way

3a - shoot for the Middle Way at all times

4 - develop a career that feeds into #3, or at least aligns with my character, mindset

5 - engage in hobbies that bring me into contact with others, no video games unless it’s a group thing at a place outside of my residence

6 - make a bucket list and start knocking it out

And I think that’s about it. I’d try to have fun and not worry about how the world is turning.
What a nasty stereotype Doc! The truth is more young men than ever before are eating healthier and going to the gym. The unemployment rate today is a lot better than it was ten to fifteen years ago. More young men are going to school. Look it up Doc! And there's no evidence that social media causes loneliness, correlation is not causation.

The truth is young men in their early 20s should be allowed to talk to younger women, which would increase the number of single women in their 20s.

A lot of women want to be with the top ten percent of guys, but that needs to stop.
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doubtingthomas wrote:
Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:02 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:50 pm
If I were a young man in today’s scene I’d do the following:

.....

5 - engage in hobbies that bring me into contact with others, no video games unless it’s a group thing at a place outside of my residence

6 - make a bucket list and start knocking it out

And I think that’s about it. I’d try to have fun and not worry about how the world is turning.
The truth is young men in their early 20s should be allowed to talk to younger women, which would increase the number of single women in their 20s.

A lot of women want to be with the top ten percent of guys, but that needs to stop.
Thomas ,Doc presents a reasonable list of suggestion that anybody could consider and make positive adjustments with. Instead of positive adjustment you demand two things outside of yourself which are not going to change must change.

You are behaving like somebody repeated driving their car into rock cliff face crying that it is just not fair to have rocks in the way.Back up drive strait into the rock again and again complain.
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Re: Shocking NEW study compares male virginity to wealth inequality. Researcher says the unequal distribution is a threa

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huckelberry wrote:
Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:30 pm
doubtingthomas wrote:
Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:02 pm


The truth is young men in their early 20s should be allowed to talk to younger women, which would increase the number of single women in their 20s.

A lot of women want to be with the top ten percent of guys, but that needs to stop.
Thomas ,Doc presents a reasonable list of suggestion that anybody could consider and make positive adjustments with. Instead of positive adjustment you demand two things outside of yourself which are not going to change must change.

You are behaving like somebody repeated driving their car into rock cliff face crying that it is just not fair to have rocks in the way.Back up drive strait into the rock again and again complain.
That is an incredibly evocative simile, huck! I love it. And a perfect description of the advice to change what you can and don't worry (ie drive full speed into) the rest.
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It's about reducing violence, stupid!

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A new thread is necessary because of the fact that multiple people are misrepresenting my words.

According to a paper, "Loneliness can lead to various psychiatric disorders"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4225959/

The vast majority of people who don't have a partner are not dangerous, but reducing loneliness can help reduce the number of violent crimes.

Reducing poverty does reduce crime too, same principle.

DT, you are already discussing that same paper within this thread. The ‘new’ topic is not a new discussion about it, either. I’ve merged the two topics. -cp-
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Re: Don't trust a man because he'll show you his penis

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honorentheos wrote:
Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:54 pm
Especially not on threads where you are arguing your condition leads to violence. Seriously.
So if I argue that reducing poverty reduces crime, would that mean that all poor people are violent?

You and Marcus are retarded morons.
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Re: It's about reducing violence, stupid!

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doubtingthomas wrote:
Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:15 pm
A new thread is necessary because of the fact that multiple people are misrepresenting my words.

According to a paper, "Loneliness can lead to various psychiatric disorders"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4225959/

The vast majority of people who don't have a partner are not dangerous, but reducing loneliness can help reduce the number of violent crimes.

Reducing poverty does reduce crime too, same principle.
There is not a single sentence in that article that references the violence and violent crimes that you've been bringing up.
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