Calling it "Politically Motivated"

[Markk]

In the meanwhile please give me an abstract, in your own words, of what the video series speaks to, and your conclusion, again in your own words.

It would also be helpful is you would give me your definition of a oligarch, again in your own words?

In regard to George Soros you wrote " As for George Soros, I have only the highest regards for him and what he is trying to accomplish."

In your own words what is Soros trying to accomplish?

I think that you’re first due to - in your own words - explain how Trump’s tariff boondoggle is going to spark and industrial renaissance and restore a healthy middle class.

Well I have but I have no issue doing so again, and you, in turn, can in your own words give the left wing caucus plan.

Generally Trump's plan, as I have written here is to make the US the worlds leader in industry and innovation. To do so he will use tariffs as leverage to open up the doors for many things, and to even out the trade deficiet. He is and is encouraging other countries to manufacture and sell their products here tariff free, which will create job, in manufacturing, engineering, and construction. His plan is to do away with regulations that prohibit and retard industrial growth. He plans to offer incentives to encourage manufacturing, such as depreciation tax breaks on factories and machinery.

His plan includes using our natural recourses like oil, coal, and natural gas to lower energy costs here, and to also export these resources. Removing regulations and bring back what Biden put halts to. His plan includes building up our military and depleted stockpiles. His plan includes middle class tax breaks.

Overall his plan is to put to rest the Fails of NAFTA, The WTO, and China as a favored nation in trading. China is a big deal and getting them inline is important.

Right or wrong that is in my own words, again, his plan. So in your own words, what is the Democratic caucus plan?

[Markk]

Gunnar you wrote...



Then you wrote...



You hadn't read the book, but based it's brilliance on videos you hadn't watch all of?

Don't be ridiculous! I didn't necessarily have to watch all of them to perceive their brilliance. I had already watched most of them, and then rewatched all of them to refresh my memory.

But anyway thanks, I will listen to the first video today, and get back with you, and after you read the book let me know

In the meanwhile please give me an abstract, in your own words, of what the video series speaks to, and your conclusion, again in your own words.

If you think I haven't already done that, then you haven't been paying attention. It is clear that the videos speak to the systematic, decades long attempts by hard right conservatives to capture and transform the Supreme Court into a tool that mainly benefits their own selfish interests, to the detriment of anyone opposed to them.

It would also be helpful is you would give me your definition of a oligarch, again in your own words?

The dictionary definition should suffice. An oligarch is a member of an oligarchy, which means a government by the few in which the citizens have no or very little voice. In other words, a kind of tyranny.

In regard to George Soros you wrote " As for George Soros, I have only the highest regards for him and what he is trying to accomplish."

In your own words what is Soros trying to accomplish?

That should have been glaringly obvious by the quote from Wikipedia that I provided. He is trying to promote democracy, fairness and freedom for all to pursue worthwhile goals, well-being and happiness, as advocated in our Declaration of Independence. Do you have any problem with that? None of the above should have been difficult for you to deduce from what you have already seen me write! Do you think I have been insufficiently pedantic?

You commented on late videos Gunnar? I listened to the first 4 videos today. So far his argument is based on Lewis Powell's "secret" letter to the commerce department as a corporate lawyer, before he accepted a position as a SCJOTUS. He did not shed Powell in a very good light, nor did he mention Powell was a democrat and voted for roe v wade. He spoke that "Black Money" is basically behind the process of the the Supreme Court formed a right wing court. He blamed a lot of this on Powell and the Koch brothers.

This is the baseline, so far in my listening to Whitehouse's first few videos....

My question still stands how the the Supreme Court is right wing because of this when basically it is by the luck of the draw the court is chosen. If Clinton would have beaten Trump, it would just be the same thing in reverse.

Also what is the difference between Koch money and Soros money given to groups, to indorse judicial races? Are you saying that democrats approach it differently and fairly?

I'll listen to a few more tomorrow.

[canpakes]

Generally Trump's plan, as I have written here is to make the US the worlds leader in industry and innovation. To do so he will use tariffs as leverage to open up the doors for many things, and to even out the trade deficiet.

Trump has just excluded most of the items that might comprise that list, including smartphones, laptops, hard drives, processors, flat screen monitors, and memory chips.

I guess that leaves us plastic bowls, water pumps, kitchen goods, cheap toys and stuffed animals.

It looks like we’re missing out on the ‘good manufacturing jobs’ and ‘innovation’ parts of the plan. Something seems to have gone wrong.

[Markk]

Generally Trump's plan, as I have written here is to make the US the worlds leader in industry and innovation. To do so he will use tariffs as leverage to open up the doors for many things, and to even out the trade deficiet.

Trump has just excluded most of the items that might comprise that list, including smartphones, laptops, hard drives, processors, flat screen monitors, and memory chips.

I guess that leaves us plastic bowls, water pumps, kitchen goods, cheap toys and stuffed animals.

It looks like we’re missing out on the ‘good manufacturing jobs’ and ‘innovation’ parts of the plan. Something seems to have gone wrong.

I gave you in my words, his general plan, and again right or wrong.

What is the democratic plan in your own words. Your turn.

[Gunnar]

You commented on late videos Gunnar? I listened to the first 4 videos today. So far his argument is based on Lewis Powell's "secret" letter to the commerce department as a corporate lawyer, before he accepted a position as a SCJOTUS. He did not shed Powell in a very good light, nor did he mention Powell was a democrat and voted for roe v wade. He spoke that "Black Money" is basically behind the process of the the Supreme Court formed a right wing court. He blamed a lot of this on Powell and the Koch brothers.

This is the baseline, so far in my listening to Whitehouse's first few videos....

My question still stands how the the Supreme Court is right wing because of this when basically it is by the luck of the draw the court is chosen. If Clinton would have beaten Trump, it would just be the same thing in reverse.

Also what is the difference between Koch money and Soros money given to groups, to indorse judicial races? Are you saying that democrats approach it differently and fairly?

I'll listen to a few more tomorrow.

Keep watching. The Scheme only becomes more obviously sinister and evil with each of Whitehouse's presentations as you advance through the playlist. The fact that Powell happened to be a Democrat does not minimize the damage he has caused. I have long realized that even some Democrat billionaires have villainously tried to buy politicians for not so honorable purposes. One of the worst things about Powell was his rejection of any and all regulations designed to minimize environmental, health and safety consequences of their businesses. I recognize that even the Democrat party has some bad actors.

If you think that there is no significant difference between Koch and Soros' motivation for funding and indorsing judicial races, you are colossally misinformed. This is why I specifically recommended that you watch The Scheme 27: The Myth of the Unelected Bureaucrat

220,283 views Jan 24, 2024
January 24 | Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Courts Subcommittee, delivers the twenty-seventh in a series of speeches titled “The Scheme,” exposing the machinations by right-wing donor interests to capture the Supreme Court and achieve through the Court what they cannot through the elected branches of government.

Whitehouse discusses Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo, a case pending before the Supreme Court that could overturn Chevron deference. That doctrine, a cornerstone of administrative law for nearly 40 years, grants agencies the flexibility they need to issue regulations that protect Americans’ health and safety. Whitehouse details how Loper is the product of a larger, decades-long effort by pro-corporate interests to eviscerate the federal government’s regulatory apparatus, to the detriment of the American people.

The Koch Brothers are among the most notorious and conscienceless polluters of the world's environment and deniers of the incontrovertible fact of human caused climate change. They want to be able to pollute as much as they want with no regard for the consequences of their carelessness, as long as they can maximize their profits by doing so.

The Doubt Machine - Inside the Koch Brothers’ War on Climate Science

If you still don't believe the well documented consensus of more than 97% of the world's scientists about that reality, you are approximately on the same cognitive level as flat earth believers!

As Sheldon Whitehouse pointed out in The Scheme 27, reasonable regulations have saved millions of lives and have actually contributed enormously to our economy and GDP, rather than hurt it, as some conservative corporate magnates falsely and stupidly claim!

[Markk]

You commented on late videos Gunnar? I listened to the first 4 videos today. So far his argument is based on Lewis Powell's "secret" letter to the commerce department as a corporate lawyer, before he accepted a position as a SCJOTUS. He did not shed Powell in a very good light, nor did he mention Powell was a democrat and voted for roe v wade. He spoke that "Black Money" is basically behind the process of the the Supreme Court formed a right wing court. He blamed a lot of this on Powell and the Koch brothers.

This is the baseline, so far in my listening to Whitehouse's first few videos....

My question still stands how the the Supreme Court is right wing because of this when basically it is by the luck of the draw the court is chosen. If Clinton would have beaten Trump, it would just be the same thing in reverse.

Also what is the difference between Koch money and Soros money given to groups, to indorse judicial races? Are you saying that democrats approach it differently and fairly?

I'll listen to a few more tomorrow.

Keep watching. The Scheme only becomes more obviously sinister and evil with each of Whitehouse's presentations as you advance through the playlist. The fact that Powell happened to be a Democrat does not minimize the damage he has caused. I have long realized that even some Democrat billionaires have villainously tried to buy politicians for not so honorable purposes. One of the worst things about Powell was his rejection of any and all regulations designed to minimize environmental, health and safety consequences of their businesses. I recognize that even the Democrat party has some bad actors.

If you think that there is no significant difference between Koch and Soros' motivation for funding and indorsing judicial races, you are colossally misinformed. This is why I specifically recommended that you watch The Scheme 27: The Myth of the Unelected Bureaucrat

220,283 views Jan 24, 2024
January 24 | Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Courts Subcommittee, delivers the twenty-seventh in a series of speeches titled “The Scheme,” exposing the machinations by right-wing donor interests to capture the Supreme Court and achieve through the Court what they cannot through the elected branches of government.

Whitehouse discusses Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo, a case pending before the Supreme Court that could overturn Chevron deference. That doctrine, a cornerstone of administrative law for nearly 40 years, grants agencies the flexibility they need to issue regulations that protect Americans’ health and safety. Whitehouse details how Loper is the product of a larger, decades-long effort by pro-corporate interests to eviscerate the federal government’s regulatory apparatus, to the detriment of the American people.

The Koch Brothers are among the most notorious and conscienceless polluters of the world's environment and deniers of the incontrovertible fact of human caused climate change. They want to be able to pollute as much as they want with no regard for the consequences of their carelessness, as long as they can maximize their profits by doing so.

The Doubt Machine - Inside the Koch Brothers’ War on Climate Science

If you still don't believe the well documented consensus of more than 97% of the world's scientists about that reality, you are approximately on the same cognitive level as flat earth believers!

As Sheldon Whitehouse pointed out in The Scheme 27, reasonable regulations have saved millions of lives and have actually contributed enormously to our economy and GDP, rather than hurt it, as conservative corporate magnates falsely and stupidly claim!

I will keep listening. But again how did what Powell wrote, as an attorney, in the 60's, shape how the the Supreme Court decides cases what they hear today? Is this all heading to climate change?

And again, if the left had won in 2016, how would it be different? Are you saying that the left is not beholding to corporations? Given Powell was a democrat, and started the mess per Whitehouse, why is this a Republican thing?

Look at recent election in Wisconsin, it was filled with "dark money" from both sides. My point is so far from what I am seeing. Whitehouse is trying say that Republicans are dirty here, and Democrats are clean. As it goes forward does he name democratic billionaires that give the the left?

[Gunnar]

I will keep listening. But again how did what Powell wrote, as an attorney, in the 60's, shape how the the Supreme Court decides cases what they hear today? Is this all heading to climate change?

Climate change issues are only a part of it.

And again, if the left had won in 2016, how would it be different? Are you saying that the left is not beholding to corporations? Given Powell was a democrat, and started the mess per Whitehouse, why is this a Republican thing?

If the left had won 2026, we would now be considerably farther along in transitioning to greener and saner energy and environmental policies.

We would have handled the COVID pandemic much better than it was handled during Trump's administration. Our country has only about 5% of the world's population and more that 20% of the deaths from it. What better evidence can you have that the Trump handled the pandemic worse than almost any other national leader on earth? Trump had stupidly dismantled the pandemic response team that Obama had set up, that would have been very helpful in combatting the pandemic and had already been very effective in handling and averting the potential Ebola threat and others that we don't usually hear about because they were effectively averted.

We would have added at least one and probably more moderate or liberal justices to the Supreme Court to balance it out better between conservative and more progressive Justices

We would probably have had fewer states passing unfair and draconian voter suppression legislation.

It is a Republican thing because the Republican Party is the one that has been virtually hijacked by the fanatical religious right, bigots and xenophobes.

Look at recent election in Wisconsin, it was filled with "dark money" from both sides. My point is so far from what I am seeing. Whitehouse is trying say that Republicans are dirty here, and Democrats are clean. As it goes forward does he name democratic billionaires that give the the left?

I am most gratified by the results of the recent election in Wisconsin. The winner was a much more qualified, moderate and reasonable choice than her opponent, and was far more obviously favorable to preserving individual rights, especially voting rights. The fact that she won easily despite the fact that Musk had spent many times more money opposing her than the combined total spent by all of her supporters combined showed just how deeply unpopular MAGA right policies had become. And rightly so!

Yes, the Republicans are indeed dirty here, much more so than the Democrats. I honestly can't see how that fact can escape you! As the series continues forward it becomes increasingly obvious that perpetrators of the corrupt takeover of the Supreme Court are almost (if not entirely) exclusively ultra-right and funded by ultra-right organizations like the Federalist Society and their ultra-right billionaire donors. The more you continue following the series, the more apparent this will become to you, if you are both honest and reasonable! The Scheme series of presentations should outrage any honest lover of democracy, individual freedom and voter rights! At this time, the only Republican Leaders that deserve anyone's respect are those with enough spine to stand up to Trump when he's clearly wrong (as he often is) and not fall for his firehose like output of lies!

ETA: By the way, Markk, though this is off topic for this thread, I want to express my appreciation and thanks to you for your Art thread. That thread is one of the most interesting and enjoyable discussions I have ever encountered on this site!

[Kishkumen]

UNELECTED BUREAUCRAT

[Markk]

Gunnar: Climate change issues are only a part of it.

This proves my point that the courts are being manipulated and influenced by both parties. By your saying that the GOP judges are part of a "scheme" to push their agenda in loaded courts to shut down Democrat agenda that would move forward if they held the majority.

It seems like almost every week a left wing appointed judge challenge an agenda of the GOP, if favor of a Democrat agenda, this can not be denied. These Den judges are pushed through by Democrat presidents the same way that Whitehouse is showing the GOP is doing so....Soros money is rampant here.

Dark Money is not inclusive to the GOP, not even remotely.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e ... r-n1239830

I am up to part 9 of Whitehouse's scheme speeches, and it is redundant, and very one sided with examples and so far a general whine about the GOP having the majority and pushing their agenda, without admitting or showing example of how the left does the same exact thing.

Once again, if Clinton would have won in 2016, the left would hold the majority in the the Supreme Court, with judges appointed by Clinton who were appointed earlier to the lower courts by monies from folks like Soros. The current the Supreme Court is stacked by the luck of the draw of who holds the office.

Also, so far in Whitehouse's speeches, and his continued focus on Powell being the architect of the right wing scheme, does again not mention that he was a democrat and voted for abortion to be legal, .... and again has not mentioned dark money and super pac's by the left wing....why?

The speech so far comes off as a huge speech of sour grapes.

Gunnar: If the left had won 2026, we would now be considerably farther along in transitioning to greener and saner energy and environmental policies.

Again you are blatantly proving my point....it is basically just sour grapes that the left lost and did not get to stack the court in their favor. They did get one judge by Biden, one that he promised would be a Black woman if elected, that does not even know what a women is, which a topic for another day, but shows the hypocrisy of Whitehouse about how GOP appointees are chosen. Big time.


Yesterday I replied to all of your post and had thought it posted, but when I checked this morning it did not upload....I'll try to catch up later after work if I have time, but I will listen to a few more scheme speeches in my commute today.

Let me know when you get the book and I'll but the Kindle version and we can go through it real time together.

[canpakes]

It seems like almost every week a left wing appointed judge challenge an agenda of the GOP, if favor of a Democrat agenda, this can not be denied.

It may be more useful to look at what the court challenges concern and why, as opposed to trying to paint them as part of any particular agenda.