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So, RI can correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the ultimate goals of all these filings is to buy time with state legislators in order to convince them to somehow not certify the results (as seen above). Barring that, a hail mary to get an appeal in front of Supreme Court who will then somehow put the transition on hold until they make a ruling? I’m trying to figure out the Trump team’s pie in the sky intent here. I think there are probably three things that drive home the Reality Bites angle here - again I’d ask RI or some other legal eagle to correct me if I’m off:
1) You can't introduce new evidence in appeals. Appeals are not about finding new facts. They are about evaluating if a Judge acted properly. So, all the Trump cultists who see an appeal who think a case is getting multiple looks are wrong.
2) Ghouliani only appealed the motion to dismiss in PA (PA, right?). If he wins, at any level, the case gets sent back to district court (where it fails again, because self-didliani never appealed all the other stuff and no longer can.)
3) And here’s the dick flattening moment for Trumpists, losing in court, over and over again, doesn’t establish facts for cases down the road. It does the opposite - it establishes precedent. Losing cases over and over again to get to the appeal stage is like eating crap to get a head start on brushing your teeth.
So, they keep getting buried under their own BS, but that’s not the point. The point is to create so many unsubstantiated accusations they manage to compel a state legislature to somehow flip the election results. That’s my best guess, anyway.
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1) You can't introduce new evidence in appeals. Appeals are not about finding new facts. They are about evaluating if a Judge acted properly. So, all the Trump cultists who see an appeal who think a case is getting multiple looks are wrong.
2) Ghouliani only appealed the motion to dismiss in PA (PA, right?). If he wins, at any level, the case gets sent back to district court (where it fails again, because self-didliani never appealed all the other stuff and no longer can.)
3) And here’s the dick flattening moment for Trumpists, losing in court, over and over again, doesn’t establish facts for cases down the road. It does the opposite - it establishes precedent. Losing cases over and over again to get to the appeal stage is like eating crap to get a head start on brushing your teeth.
So, they keep getting buried under their own BS, but that’s not the point. The point is to create so many unsubstantiated accusations they manage to compel a state legislature to somehow flip the election results. That’s my best guess, anyway.
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Re: Election Litigation Scorecard
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Pennsylvania Judge Patricia A. McCullough filed a Memorandum of Opinion on Friday stating the Pennsylvania preliminary ELECTION CERTIFICATION injunction was PROPERLY ISSUED and should be upheld.Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:12 pm
3) And here’s the dick flattening moment for Trumpists, losing in court, over and over again, doesn’t establish facts for cases down the road. It does the opposite - it establishes precedent.
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- Commonwealth barred from taking ANY further steps to certify results
- Issues raised found to be of "statewide and National concern"
- McCullough adds , “Additionally, petitioners appear to have established a likelihood to succeed.”
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To get an idea where subjenius gets this stuff from just google "Pennsylvania Judge Patricia A. McCullough filed a Memorandum of Opinion on Friday stating the Pennsylvania preliminary ELECTION CERTIFICATION injunction was PROPERLY ISSUED and should be upheld. - Commonwealth barred from taking ANY further steps to certify results - Issues raised found to be of "statewide and National concern" - McCullough adds , “Additionally, petitioners appear to have established a likelihood to succeed.”
From Bloomberg:
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From Bloomberg:
The order, again from Bloomberg, is an attempt to do this:Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf and other state officials assailed a Pittsburgh judge for issuing what they described as an unprecedented order halting additional steps in the certification of President-elect Joe Biden’s election victory.
“Since the birth of our nation nearly 250 years ago, no court has ever issued an order purporting to interfere with a state’s ascertainment of its presidential electors -- until today,” state officials said in an appeal filed shortly after Commonwealth Court Judge Patricia McCullough’s Wednesday ruling in a lawsuit brought by Pennsylvania Republicans. “There is no conceivable justification for the lower court’s issuance of such an order in this case.”
So, I think the strategy I was musing about is probably what the GOP is going for.It’s unclear exactly what further steps in the process can be delayed, but the plaintiffs suggested there were several including the assembly of electors. The Electoral College vote doesn’t take place until Dec. 14.
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Just one small correction, Doc. Cases at the trial court level often don’t set precedent. And even appellate courts can label their decisions as not to be cited for precedent.Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:12 pmSo, RI can correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the ultimate goals of all these filings is to buy time with state legislators in order to convince them to somehow not certify the results (as seen above). Barring that, a hail mary to get an appeal in front of Supreme Court who will then somehow put the transition on hold until they make a ruling? I’m trying to figure out the Trump team’s pie in the sky intent here. I think there are probably three things that drive home the Reality Bites angle here - again I’d ask RI or some other legal eagle to correct me if I’m off:
1) You can't introduce new evidence in appeals. Appeals are not about finding new facts. They are about evaluating if a Judge acted properly. So, all the Trump cultists who see an appeal who think a case is getting multiple looks are wrong.
2) Ghouliani only appealed the motion to dismiss in PA (PA, right?). If he wins, at any level, the case gets sent back to district court (where it fails again, because self-didliani never appealed all the other stuff and no longer can.)
3) And here’s the dick flattening moment for Trumpists, losing in court, over and over again, doesn’t establish facts for cases down the road. It does the opposite - it establishes precedent. Losing cases over and over again to get to the appeal stage is like eating crap to get a head start on brushing your teeth.
So, they keep getting buried under their own crap, but that’s not the point. The point is to create so many unsubstantiated accusations they manage to compel a state legislature to somehow flip the election results. That’s my best guess, anyway.
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I think the current tactic is to persuade legislators to send slates of Trump electors in states that Biden won to Congress for consideration on Jan 6. Faced with two sets of electors, and with the houses split between the parties, which slate of electors to pick is decided by the House, but with only one vote per state. That would make Trump President.
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How many states would they have to persuade to ignore their voters in order to get Trump back in the White House?Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:52 pmI think the current tactic is to persuade legislators to send slates of Trump electors in states that Biden won to Congress for consideration on Jan 6. Faced with two sets of electors, and with the houses split between the parties, which slate of electors to pick is decided by the House, but with only one vote per state. That would make Trump President.
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Three. For example, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. I listed the possible combinations upthread. It could work and probably doesn't require any court action. It just requires the Republican legislatures in those three states (or swap Georgia in for Michigan or Wisconsin) to vote to appoint Trump's electors as the official electors and to have the Republicans in the House go along with the scheme. Republicans are pretty notorious lately for trying to maintain power any way they can. I think that McConnell and the House minority leader are staying very quiet, leaving their options open in case the state legislatures decide to try. In this context, the targets of the current batch of lawsuits is the public and the state legislatures.Chap wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:02 pmHow many states would they have to persuade to ignore their voters in order to get Trump back in the White House?Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:52 pmI think the current tactic is to persuade legislators to send slates of Trump electors in states that Biden won to Congress for consideration on Jan 6. Faced with two sets of electors, and with the houses split between the parties, which slate of electors to pick is decided by the House, but with only one vote per state. That would make Trump President.
Of course, winning a presidential election by throwing out a bunch of legitimate votes by mostly black folks may not go over very well nationally. It's Jim Crow on steroids.
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