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Trump Fan Convicted In Anti-Muslim Terror Plot Asks Judge To Consider Trump’s Rhetoric
WASHINGTON ― Attorneys for a President Donald Trump supporter who was convicted in a domestic terrorism plot aimed at slaughtering Muslim refugees asked a federal judge to factor in the “backdrop” of Trump’s campaign rhetoric when deciding their client’s sentence this week.
Patrick Stein was one of three right-wing militiamen found guilty in April of a conspiracy to kill Muslim refugees living in rural Kansas. Ahead of the 2016 election, Stein and two others plotted with an FBI informant and an undercover agent to bomb an apartment complex that housed Muslims in Garden City. Stein went by the handle “Orkin Man” and referred to Muslims as “cockroaches” he wanted exterminated.
At trial, defense attorneys referred to the defendants as “knuckleheads” who were engaged in “locker room talk,” and Stein’s attorney argued his client was a victim of a “chaos news” environment that had him thinking a civil war was coming.
A jury convicted Stein and his co-defendants, Curtis Allen and Gavin Wright, on weapons of mass destruction and conspiracy against civil rights charges. They are scheduled to be sentenced Friday, a week after another Trump supporter was arrested for mailing bombs to the president’s critics and a right-wing extremist killed 11 Jewish Americans inside of a Pittsburgh synagogue.
Stein’s attorneys, James Pratt and Michael Shultz, argued Monday in a sentencing memo that sending Stein to prison for life was unwarranted, and that a sentence of 15 years would be appropriate. They said the judge should factor in the “backdrop to this case” when crafting an appropriate sentence.
“2016 was ‘lit.’ The court cannot ignore the circumstances of one of the most rhetorically mold-breaking, violent, awful, hateful and contentious presidential elections in modern history, driven in large measure by the rhetorical China shop bull who is now our president,” they wrote.
“Trump’s brand of rough-and-tumble verbal pummeling heightened the rhetorical stakes for people of all political persuasions,” they added. “A person normally at a 3 on a scale of political talk might have found themselves at a 7 during the election. A person, like Patrick, who would often be at a 7 during a normal day, might ‘go to 11.’ See SPINAL TAP. That climate should be taken into account when evaluating the rhetoric that formed the basis of the government’s case.”
Stein’s attorneys, who called their client an “early and avid” Trump supporter, said it was important to keep in mind that “almost no one thought Trump was going to win” when evaluating the likelihood of an attack. The plot was supposed to take place after the election, as the group didn’t want their attack to boost Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. Stein, in a message to an undercover agent, wrote that if they attacked ahead of the election it would “give a lot of ammunition to the Hillary supporters” and said that Clinton could never be allowed to be president.
“Trump’s win changed everything, and it is reasonable to speculate that it would have changed things among the defendants as well,” the attorneys wrote. “The urgency for action would be gone. The feeling of a losing battle would be gone. The conspiracies, in part, would be disproven as the transition from Obama to Trump took place. It is logical to conclude that the discussed attack would never have happened in the world that existed post-Trump.”
Stein’s attorneys said their client got caught up in the anti-Muslim information he was devouring online. His knowledge of the Quran, his attorneys wrote, “came directly from the internet and conservative talk-show hosts such as Sean Hannity and Michael Savage. Patrick himself had never read the Quran, nor had he participated in a comparative study of any religion.”
Stein, his attorneys wrote, was “the perfect, vulnerable target” for the FBI, and had relapsed into alcoholism and “had used methamphetamine regularly,” including after he met FBI informant Dan Day. They said that Stein’s crimes “demonstrated an extreme level of hatred and fear, but they also demonstrated an utter lack of sophistication.”
They argued that 15 years in prison and 10 years of supervised release would “adequately reflect the seriousness of the offense, promote respect for the law and provide just punishment.”
WASHINGTON ― Attorneys for a President Donald Trump supporter who was convicted in a domestic terrorism plot aimed at slaughtering Muslim refugees asked a federal judge to factor in the “backdrop” of Trump’s campaign rhetoric when deciding their client’s sentence this week.
Patrick Stein was one of three right-wing militiamen found guilty in April of a conspiracy to kill Muslim refugees living in rural Kansas. Ahead of the 2016 election, Stein and two others plotted with an FBI informant and an undercover agent to bomb an apartment complex that housed Muslims in Garden City. Stein went by the handle “Orkin Man” and referred to Muslims as “cockroaches” he wanted exterminated.
At trial, defense attorneys referred to the defendants as “knuckleheads” who were engaged in “locker room talk,” and Stein’s attorney argued his client was a victim of a “chaos news” environment that had him thinking a civil war was coming.
A jury convicted Stein and his co-defendants, Curtis Allen and Gavin Wright, on weapons of mass destruction and conspiracy against civil rights charges. They are scheduled to be sentenced Friday, a week after another Trump supporter was arrested for mailing bombs to the president’s critics and a right-wing extremist killed 11 Jewish Americans inside of a Pittsburgh synagogue.
Stein’s attorneys, James Pratt and Michael Shultz, argued Monday in a sentencing memo that sending Stein to prison for life was unwarranted, and that a sentence of 15 years would be appropriate. They said the judge should factor in the “backdrop to this case” when crafting an appropriate sentence.
“2016 was ‘lit.’ The court cannot ignore the circumstances of one of the most rhetorically mold-breaking, violent, awful, hateful and contentious presidential elections in modern history, driven in large measure by the rhetorical China shop bull who is now our president,” they wrote.
“Trump’s brand of rough-and-tumble verbal pummeling heightened the rhetorical stakes for people of all political persuasions,” they added. “A person normally at a 3 on a scale of political talk might have found themselves at a 7 during the election. A person, like Patrick, who would often be at a 7 during a normal day, might ‘go to 11.’ See SPINAL TAP. That climate should be taken into account when evaluating the rhetoric that formed the basis of the government’s case.”
Stein’s attorneys, who called their client an “early and avid” Trump supporter, said it was important to keep in mind that “almost no one thought Trump was going to win” when evaluating the likelihood of an attack. The plot was supposed to take place after the election, as the group didn’t want their attack to boost Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. Stein, in a message to an undercover agent, wrote that if they attacked ahead of the election it would “give a lot of ammunition to the Hillary supporters” and said that Clinton could never be allowed to be president.
“Trump’s win changed everything, and it is reasonable to speculate that it would have changed things among the defendants as well,” the attorneys wrote. “The urgency for action would be gone. The feeling of a losing battle would be gone. The conspiracies, in part, would be disproven as the transition from Obama to Trump took place. It is logical to conclude that the discussed attack would never have happened in the world that existed post-Trump.”
Stein’s attorneys said their client got caught up in the anti-Muslim information he was devouring online. His knowledge of the Quran, his attorneys wrote, “came directly from the internet and conservative talk-show hosts such as Sean Hannity and Michael Savage. Patrick himself had never read the Quran, nor had he participated in a comparative study of any religion.”
Stein, his attorneys wrote, was “the perfect, vulnerable target” for the FBI, and had relapsed into alcoholism and “had used methamphetamine regularly,” including after he met FBI informant Dan Day. They said that Stein’s crimes “demonstrated an extreme level of hatred and fear, but they also demonstrated an utter lack of sophistication.”
They argued that 15 years in prison and 10 years of supervised release would “adequately reflect the seriousness of the offense, promote respect for the law and provide just punishment.”
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Water Dog wrote:So shots were fired in a GOP campaign office, and, I see no mention of it on CNN, MSNBC, HuffPo, et al. Or Fox. It does appear on Breitbart though, and National Review. And a local ABC station covered it. Funny how one thing gets broadcast from every satellite dish, another thing not a peep. It's almost like certain people don't care about violence against Republicans. What inspired it? It is just pure dice roll coincidence than someone decided to shoot up a Republican campaign office right after a synagogue shooting that the media immediately proceeded to blame on Republicans?

And yet, somehow, you don't suspect a false flag here like you did with the mail bomber. Its almost as if you are so shallow that you you only see what you what to see and seek information that confirms what you choose to believe. You blind faithers are silly. Whether its religion (like you blindly defended previously only to be wrong) or right-wing nutter politics (which you currently blindly defend even though you are usually shown to be wrong), you seem to be completely incapable of any kind of introspection or examination of your own behaviors and beliefs considering you are literally the 2nd biggest hypocrite on this site (I think faps still has you beat) and are the epitome of projection.
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schreech wrote:And yet, somehow, you don't suspect a false flag here like you did with the mail bomber.
Very well could be, didn't say it wasn't. Not the point. Try to keep up, Dorothy.
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Water Dog wrote:
Oh yea, the right wing rags you read didn't mention a false flag on this one so of course you didn't come here frantically parroting "false flag" like you did when they were screaming false flag about the MAGA bomber. Instead, you come here parroting what you read on your right wing rags about the way the two things were reported by the media because, derp!!
Apparently its only a false flag when it negatively reflects on the, so-called, right wingers. If it can be pinned on anyone on the left, you and your ilk will literally orgasm while climbing over one another to find a way to blame the other "team". Kind of shallow and pathetic.
I get that you are a blind devotee to right wing rage media but at least try to appear to not be a complete hypocrite. You really don't care how silly you look do you? Go "TEAM" trumpologist-mouthbreathers!!
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im just impressed that a guy living in his van and taking showers at the gym was able to acquire the materials, construct, package, print labels, and have delivered over a dozen bombs.
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subgenius wrote:im just impressed that a guy living in his van and taking showers at the gym was able to acquire the materials, construct, package, print labels, and have delivered over a dozen bombs.
What else did he have going on?
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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:subgenius wrote:im just impressed that a guy living in his van and taking showers at the gym was able to acquire the materials, construct, package, print labels, and have delivered over a dozen bombs.
What else did he have going on?
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Subfaps is probably also impressed that the guy could tie his own shoes and regularly showered. It’s not surprising that a barely literate shut in like him would be impressed by rudimentary pipe bomb construction and the super complicated process of mailing a package.
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schreech wrote:Subfaps is probably also impressed that the guy could tie his own shoes and regularly showered. It’s not surprising that a barely literate shut in like him would be impressed by rudimentary pipe bomb construction and the super complicated process of mailing a package
... and may we mention that his devices were so incompetently made that he forgot to add detonators? Or does that show that the evil deep state operatives who really made these bombs were just very good at faking the kind of bombs that a van-dwelling Trump supporter would make?
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I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:subgenius wrote:im just impressed that a guy living in his van and taking showers at the gym was able to acquire the materials, construct, package, print labels, and have delivered over a dozen bombs.
What else did he have going on?
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his hairstyle maintenance?
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subgenius wrote:im just impressed that a guy living in his van and taking showers at the gym was able to acquire the materials, construct, package, print labels, and have delivered over a dozen bombs.
Looks like he’s blowing his rent money on bomb-building supplies.