Trump's Beautiful Wall

[_canpakes]

So, once again we can see subgenius not really understand to any degree what he's arguing for or against. Much like Ajax's arguments for supremacism, subgenius seems to channel Trump when he's just winging an ad hoc argument without understanding, anything, about which he's engaged.

- Doc

Whats to understand from your argument?
is it that Pelosi can't make a deal with a President who thrives on making deals?

is it that Pelosi can't make a deal for DACA recipients over one tenth of a percent budget item?

is it that Pelosi can't make a deal over a wall that wont get built anyway as it allegedly will be sunk in decades of lawsuits?

is it that Pelosi can't make a deal over a wall that you don't even know the extent of?

is it that Pelosi can't make a deal because the appearance of working would be fatally contrary to the past 24 months of entrenching propaganda?

is it that Pelosi can't make a deal to have 800k workers receive paychecks so they don't have to experience what the majority of construction workers experience yearly?

is it that Pelosi wont make a deal because Trump's meam tweets offend people like KG while simultaneously improving KG's peace and prosperity? (ending wars, decreasing unemployment, lowering racial unemployment disparity, ending superfluous regulations, increasing domestic energy output, etc...)

is it that Pelosi can't make a deal without you believing Trump will start a nuclear war with NK?

and so on....and on...

None of that. And you know it. No need to pretend to be so obtuse and to further thrash whatever is left of your own integrity.

The answer is that Trump won’t sign off on anything until he gets funding that he suddenly demanded after everyone already agreed to a different amount, because Trump is scared of his minority base.

Maybe you could tell us if you would have accepted this same behavior from other Presidents, but i’ll bet that you won’t dare answer, let alone honestly.

[_canpakes]

Trump is frustrated that Mulvaney's 2019 White House budget proposal included just $1.6 billion for the border wall, according to the Axios report. That sum, which Trump himself approved, is far less than the $5.7 billion the president is now demanding as the price to end the partial government shutdown

Why can’t Trump honor his deal, subs?

Why should anyone trust any new deal demanded by him?

[_subgenius]

Trump is frustrated that Mulvaney's 2019 White House budget proposal included just $1.6 billion for the border wall, according to the Axios report. That sum, which Trump himself approved, is far less than the $5.7 billion the president is now demanding as the price to end the partial government shutdown

Why can’t Trump honor his deal, subs?

which deal are you referring to? and then perhaps I can assist you in understanding some of the "basics" involved in American politics and government (at least as the majority of adults understand them).

Why should anyone trust any new deal demanded by him?

because your attention span isn't that great?

[_canpakes]

Why can’t Trump honor his deal, subs?

which deal are you referring to? and then perhaps I can assist you in understanding some of the "basics" involved in American politics and government (at least as the majority of adults understand them).

If you’re not going to pay attention to events and details provided in the same post that you’re responding to, then you first might need to work on your own “basics” regarding focus and reading comprehension.

Why should anyone trust any new deal demanded by him?

because your attention span isn't that great?

Says the fellow who has no idea as to what the President has already agreed to.

[_Jersey Girl]

Why should anyone trust any new deal demanded by him?

because your attention span isn't that great?

Co-author Tony Schwartz Jan 10, 2019

"It's been fraud all along".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOpMrOsK1BA

[_canpakes]

Amid border wall debate, third drug tunnel found in less than a month along Arizona border

USA TODAY - Rafael Carranza

TUCSON — Mexican authorities uncovered another tunnel in Nogales, Sonora — across the border from Nogales, Arizona — which they suspect was used to smuggle drugs and people across the U.S.-Mexico border.

It's the third time they have made such a discovery in less than a month, and comes amid President Donald Trump's demand for funding to build more physical barriers along the U.S.-Mexico border.

Mexican Federal Police on Wednesday posted a short video of the tunnel on Twitter. Police said the tunnel measured about 32 feet in length, but offered few other details, such as the location or how they found it.

The video shows two police officers opening up a manhole underneath the extensive drainage channels that lie below the downtown areas in the twin cities of Nogales. The channels are used to ease the flow of runoff water during storms and typically flow north from Sonora into Arizona because of the terrain. But they are also commonly used in smuggling attempts.

As the video progresses, it shows the officers inside the tunnel, following it to the point where it originates at an unknown location. The officer recording is heard asking, "Is that the exit?" A second officer responds "yes" as he pushes open the entrance to the tunnel overhead.

Attempts to contact and request more information from the Mexican Federal Police were unsuccessful. U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials in Arizona are also unable to provide information because they furloughed their communication staff due to the ongoing partial government shutdown, which is now the longest in U.S. history.

Trump's insistence on border-security funding is central to the fight that has resulted in the shutdown.

As part of his push to secure more funding, Trump cites high numbers of drugs coming across the Southwest U.S. border and claims that "These numbers will be DRASTICALLY REDUCED if we have a Wall!"

However, the vast majority of the drugs that he alludes to, including heroin, are increasingly caught at the legal ports of entry, which would be unaffected by the construction of additional physical barriers.

Critics routinely point to drug tunnels as a sign that walls don't work.

U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., broached the topic during one of several failed meetings between congressional Democratic leadership and Trump to try to end the stalemate.

As the president visited south Texas on Thursday, one of the border officials he met with explained how smugglers had turned to tunneling underneath areas of the border where physical barriers had been built.

"This is the second tunnel recently that we've located. This is an area that we actually have wall," Melissa Lucio, the Border Patrol's agent in charge of the McAllen station, told Trump as he looked on.

"We're doing such a great job in utilizing the right resources in that particular area, that they've (smugglers) become so frustrated they're using other tactics," she added. "They're actually digging tunnels. This is about 25 feet long, and 2 to 3 feet high."

Smugglers increasingly using tunnels

In this March 6, 2017 photo, a member of the Border

Tunnels have become an increasingly common tactic that smugglers have used to get around stricter enforcement at the border, especially in sections that have had physical barriers in place for many years and decades, such as Arizona and California's borders with Mexico.

Along the Arizona border, Nogales is one of the main areas where large numbers of drug tunnels are uncovered on either side.

Just last week, Mexican Federal Police located a 65-foot tunnel inside an abandoned business in Nogales, Sonora, about four blocks south of the international boundary, according to Mexican media.

Before then, on Dec. 17, Customs and Border Protection officials in Arizona said they and Mexican officials had located another tunnel in downtown Nogales as part of a "routine binational tunnel sweep."

The unfinished, 50-foot tunnel stretched nearly 44 feet into Arizona, from the drainage channels underneath the twin cities to an empty parking lot, CBP said.

[_canpakes]

Here’s a thought, for the Base:

If Trump sincerely believes that we face a national emergency at the southern border, he should take a lesson from the history books and employ the wartime bond model. Of course, he needs to start by making a more convincing case that an actual emergency exists -- a dubious claim in the minds of most experts. According to the latest CNN poll, 56% of voters oppose the wall, with only 39% supporting the idea.

Floating the idea of wall bonds would allow the President to see how much support truly exists to build a border wall paid for by Americans. History has shown that when the public believes a national emergency exists, they are willing to step up to the plate.

In short, Trump should stop holding the federal government hostage over the building of a wall. Instead, he should reopen the government while simultaneously launching a wall bonds campaign to find the money that he is looking for.

If the public agrees, the President will get the funding that he wants. It the public doesn't buy in, he should concede that it is time to move on to a different approach to border security

From Julian Zelizer and Michael Zeldin

[_subgenius]

Amid border wall debate, third drug tunnel found in less than a month along Arizona border
...(snip)...

Oh tunnels? well that ends the whole border security exercise, why bother with walls, fences, gates, checkpoints, maps, and pesky visa applications? Canpakes has discovered that we must indeed throw the baby out with the bath water, that good is the enemy of perfection....that without 100% effectiveness we should do nothing.

[_subgenius]

….If the public agrees, the President will get the funding that he wants. It the public doesn't buy in, he should concede that it is time to move on to a different approach to border security

From Julian Zelizer and Michael Zeldin[/quote]
so what you are saying is that if the public majority wants something they should get it, but if the public minority wants something then they should not get it - correct?

[_canpakes]

Oh, subs. Again with the silly straw man arguments. Let me simplify this for you, since you are being obtuse about the whole debate.

The situation is akin to you needing to fix up the family car, because it has some serious issues. The radiator leaks, the doors don’t lock, it runs poorly, and one of the tires is balding. So you take the $2K that your family has scraped together, and you go out and make this change to that car:



You didn’t really fix much. The car still has issues and it’s altogether unfit to serve your family and it’s needs ... but you replaced the one bad tire when you dropped your 2K on those wheels and tires at the Redondo Swap Meet, and it all looks sooo sweeeet to your homies, doesn’t it?

That’s the problem with spending billions on a wall. Sure, you’ll ‘have a wall’, afterwards, and it might stop someone from coming to the States, until they walk around it or go to a border crossing like the other four thousand folks applying for asylum. But it doesn’t really slow down that flow much, it doesn’t fix the system, and it sure does nothing about any so-called ‘humanitarian crisis’. It’s just a big, shiny object that wastes a crapload more money than it needs to, and is mainly designed to do little more than impress a gaggle of Trump homies.

You completely understand this problem - and you always have. But you can’t stop pretending to be obtuse about it because you sacrificed your integrity long ago in the pursuit of being a mindless ideologue.