Markk wrote:Could it be you need to find fault in my belief to justify your position.
Um no that not it. You have avoided justifying your positions.
No it doesn't, the woman may choose to let her child live and she may die. How am "I" putting a higher value on it if it is a choice in that scenario?
By giving her the choice you give her the higher value knowing many of them will choose to end the pregnancy. It's the same thing with rape. You are giving the women's choice a higher value then the life of the fetus/unborn baby. You can keep denying it, but everyone knows you are trying to take two different positions here.
It is a real issue and question, which you ducked, especially for the child.
I haven't ducked anything. You claim it is an issue, but have failed to show that it is an issue. I have said to you multiple times, in this thread, I don't see it as an issue, meaning I don't think government laws are needed, and that women and medical communities are good enough to make it a non issue.
In context with this conversation, some have, like Nazi Germany.
Science in the US has been doing experiments on dead humans for centuries.
Do you believe it is okay, to take the life of a baby days before it's normal birth without complication to woman or child, and then perform medical experiments on that child, simply because it is the woman's choice? And Why? I would hope your line here is based more on just the convenience of a clear line.
Is that happening in the US? I ask that because I don't see it as something really happening. I doubt you would find any sane women who would seek and abortion under these circumstances, and medical doctors do have rules and ethics they have to follow, meaning it would be almost impossible to to get an abortion under such circumstances. Now any aborted fetus's used for scientific research would have to have to permission from the parent or parents just as they would need it for a child who dies, or an adult who has given permission before they died. I don't have a problem with science doing ethical research on dead people. They have been doing it for many centuries, although I agree that some of it, like from the Nazis has not been ethical, but there are rules in these areas today.
Do you believe that if a child was aborted a few days before it birth date, a child is being killed?
Yes a fetus/child is being killed. I wouldn't like the idea of it being a fetus being viable, but again I see it as something hardly, if ever, really happening. Responsible behavior already exists with both groups such that we don't need government laws interfering with the mothers rights and doctors who may have late term abortions for reasons such as health of the mother and fetus/child. You need to establish there is a serious problem first before reasonable discussion can happen about what kind of laws may be needed.
