COVID is getting worse

[subgenius]

Yes, the science of masks and mask mandates proves effective against Rona.
You guys r so monkey fighting smart.

Gawd you are so [vulgarity] stupid it's an actual spectacle.

Got any Thanksgiving plans? or are you just going to crawl under your bed?
stupid indeed.

[canpakes]

Yes, the science of masks and mask mandates proves effective against Rona.
You guys r so monkey fighting smart.

Gawd you are so damned stupid it's an actual spectacle.

He doesn’t even know why he has picked this hill to die on.

These anti-mask folks seem to be ... so fragile.

[Res Ipsa]

Here's a snapshot of what is happening from Kansas City. This is the process that is currently overrunning our cities. We've managed to get enough PPE and ventilators, but we're running out of staff. You can't just manufacture doctors and nurses. https://khn.org/news/rural-areas-send-t ... hospitals/

And we still do not have a handle on "Long Haul COVID." This is what the folks who focus only on "survivability" miss. This disease is one nasty sucker that appears to do long term or even permanent damage in significant numbers of people. https://Twitter.com/uche_blackstock/sta ... 90667?s=20

[Res Ipsa]

Tara Smith is one of the folks I follow on Twitter for COVID information. In the spring, she published a very good article about how COVID would affect rural communities. This follow up warns that the virus will persist in rural areas long after a vaccine is available. https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles ... al-america

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Calling it now.

[ajax18]

And we still do not have a handle on "Long Haul COVID." This is what the folks who focus only on "survivability" miss. This disease is one nasty sucker that appears to do long term or even permanent damage in significant numbers of people.

Missing what? What we don't know for sure yet? How does that change the fact that lockdowns are not going to ultimately stop the spread of Covid once it's deeply seeded in a population? Wear your mask, wash your hands, avoid large crowds of people indoors... There's not much more we can afford to do about it.

It's really weird that we're testing for a disease in people that have no symptoms. At one time we tried to make sick people healthy. Now we label healthy people sick so we can suspend them from their jobs without pay. And what does this accomplish for anyone other than delay the inevitable?

I'm really starting to question the accuracy of these tests. Right now they're telling me that the test that takes 3 days to read is more accurate than the one you can get results back in half an hour. When they conflict was one a false positive or was the person just asymptomatic? I've even heard of nurses continuing to test positive without symptoms for months. Not only is this ruining a person financially but it's a waste of public resources.

[Res Ipsa]

And we still do not have a handle on "Long Haul COVID." This is what the folks who focus only on "survivability" miss. This disease is one nasty sucker that appears to do long term or even permanent damage in significant numbers of people.

Missing what? What we don't know for sure yet? How does that change the fact that lockdowns are not going to ultimately stop the spread of Covid once it's deeply seeded in a population? Wear your mask, wash your hands, avoid large crowds of people indoors... There's not much more we can afford to do about it.

It's really weird that we're testing for a disease in people that have no symptoms. At one time we tried to make sick people healthy. Now we label healthy people sick so we can suspend them from their jobs without pay. And what does this accomplish for anyone other than delay the inevitable?

I'm really starting to question the accuracy of these tests. Right now they're telling me that the test that takes 3 days to read is more accurate than the one you can get results back in half an hour. When they conflict was one a false positive or was the person just asymptomatic? I've even heard of nurses continuing to test positive without symptoms for months. Not only is this ruining a person financially but it's a waste of public resources.

Your flat-out ignorance of infectious disease and basic public health is stunning. First, no one has every claimed that lockdowns will "ultimately stop the spread of COVID." Second, it's flat out false that half-ass lockdowns cannot slow the rate of transmission down to the point that traditional public health measures can keep it contained. Many countries have done it. This "deep seeded" notion of yours is made up tripe.

Have you never heard of "carriers" of a disease. Jesus, pick up a book on Typhoid Mary or something. Asymptomatic infected people aren't asked to quarantine because someone wants to suspend them from their job. They are asked to quarantine to keep them from infecting others. Again, that's basic public health? How do you not know that. And, the loss of pay could be easily handled if we had governments that were interested in keeping their citizens from illness, disability and death.

I mean, listen to yourself. You whine and whine and whine and whine about lockdowns. Then you turn around and you whine, and whine, and whine about quarantines of infected people, which is the very think that would prevent the need to lock down at all. The only thing that makes sense is that you don't want a solution -- you just want to whine.

And your notion that it is inevitable that everyone will get sick is idiotic. The only way everyone gets sick is to let the disease rage uncontrolled. In that case, everyone does become infected. But the epidemic in the US can end without everyone becoming infected through vaccination. And the lower you keep the rate of transmission, the fewer people will become infected before vaccination takes hold. It's freaking math. The fact is, because Americans are so willfully ignorant, when the pandemic ends, we will be in top countries for percentages of people infected, percentages of people who died from COVID, and percentages of people with permanent health problems from COVID.

And of course you're now doubting tests. You'll doubt anything that threatens to contradict your ignorant opinions. It's both stunning and disappointing to see this kind of nonsense from a medical professional. You should know better, Ajax.

[ajax18]

Second, it's flat out false that half-ass lockdowns cannot slow the rate of transmission down to the point that traditional public health measures can keep it contained.

Then why are we locking down again? I don't think California ever reopened.

And, the loss of pay could be easily handled if we had governments that were interested in keeping their citizens from illness, disability and death.

The democrats only offer Covid relief if people are willing to embrace other socialist policies that have nothing to do with Covid. Right now there is no compensation, let alone enough to pay your mortgage, that is avaiable to asymptomatic healthy people randomly tested and kicked off the job.

which is the very think that would prevent the need to lock down at all.

No it doesn't and it hasn't. Are we going to go through this discussion every flu season?

And your notion that it is inevitable that everyone will get sick is idiotic.

99% of us don't get sick. My notion is that we will all be exposed and more than likely test positive for this at some point if we're tested.

But the epidemic in the US can end without everyone becoming infected through vaccination.

There could likely be just be a new strain next flu season. Does the flu vaccine make you immune for life? We may look back on Covid and think. That wasn't near as bad as this is. Did we actually destroy the economy just for Covid?

And the lower you keep the rate of transmission, the fewer people will become infected before vaccination takes hold. It's freaking math.

This has a 99.96% survival rate. The economic devastation is far worse than the risk of death or disability for just about every nonessential worker in the country.

And of course you're now doubting tests. You'll doubt anything that threatens to contradict your ignorant opinions. It's both stunning and disappointing to see this kind of nonsense from a medical professional. You should know better, Ajax.

You can test the same person the same day at 15 different laboratories and often get 3 positives and 12 negatives. A lot of this is probably because most of us have been infected. It just takes a longer test to find the trace amounts of Covid in an asymptomatic person.

[Jersey Girl]

[Res Ipsa]

Ajax, 99.94 of what you posted is pure BS. You seem to be pulling it from Trump's ass rather than the medical literature. So, let’s start with the easiest stuff: link a source for the survivability rate and your figure for the percentage of infected people who are truly asymptomatic.