Biden needs to step aside

[ceeboo]

But you don't see the propaganda that is rampant in most of the other main-stream media outlets? CNN? MSNBC? The View? NYT? Washington Post? Late night talk shows? Hollywood? Universities? that have convinced a large number of Americans that all republicans are evil racists/nazis/homophobes - Especially Trump?

Unfortunately, yes. I do see it. I would love to be free of propaganda, but our culture is swimming in two fast-food flavors of propaganda, and I find both nauseating. That said, there are certain dealbreakers for me.

Deal breakers for you (I have no issues with that, they are yours) are not the same deal breakers for everyone. Yours are no more important, more significant, and/or more meaningful than the deal breakers for any other American that is free to exercise their right to vote in the way they see fit. If something is a dealbreaker for you, it breaks the deal for you - other than that, it is meaningless to other individual Americans that can decide for themselves if/what dealbreakers are to them.

When Trump tried to stay in office after he lost the election, that was a total dealbreaker for me, and frankly it should have been for everybody.

You're doing it again - You are suggesting that everybody should relinquish their individual rights to cast a vote and replace it with your personal views about Trump trying to stay in office after he lost the election. Other American citizens might see that Trump did leave the White House in 2020 and the transfer of power did take place.

[Binger]

The claim that the media has convinced people that Trump is a piece of crap cracks me up. Yeah, the media is pushing propaganda by showing Trump talk. Nobody could just listen to him and figure out he's a racist, incompetent moron. They need the media to convince them, apparently. I guess the BBC and other respected media outlets worldwide are in the tank for the American left.

Moronic.

I have been saying the exact opposite of this on this board for years. The EXACT opposite. I think. Well, I thought I did. But really, I have no idea what your point is.

My point is that the media is the media and when it comes to populism, all media is looked at cynically. Comments about real people have significantly more impact on people that are not all jacked up in the hype.

[Manetho]

Other American citizens might see that Trump did leave the White House in 2020 and the transfer of power did take place.

Only after Trump exhausted every other option, including assembling fraudulent slates of electors and trying to browbeat Congress and his own vice-president into accepting those electors in place of the ones appointed by the states.

That happened. It is thoroughly documented, and not even Trump's legal defense team has claimed otherwise. All the legal disputes center on whether and how Trump's actions can be prosecuted as crimes, but whether prosecutable or not, they happened.

[Some Schmo]

It’s crazy that we’re all focused on Joe Biden’s mental fitness when the guy at the top of the other ticket is a convicted felon who told us to inject bleach. Sorry, they are not the same. They’re just not the same.

For example, if you go on vacation, would you rather leave the kids with your elderly parents, or with Jared from Subway?

Good stuff.

[ceeboo]

Other American citizens might see that Trump did leave the White House in 2020 and the transfer of power did take place.

Only after Trump exhausted every other option, including assembling fraudulent slates of electors and trying to browbeat Congress and his own vice-president into accepting those electors in place of the ones appointed by the states.

That happened. It is thoroughly documented, and not even Trump's legal defense team has claimed otherwise. All the legal disputes center on whether and how Trump's actions can be prosecuted as crimes, but whether prosecutable or not, they happened.

Okay - Perhaps this a dealbreaker for you as well. No issues from me. You can cast your vote, just like the rest of us, with dealbreakers in mind as well as what each of us believe to be the best option for our country.

[Binger]

It’s crazy that we’re all focused on Joe Biden’s mental fitness when the guy at the top of the other ticket is a convicted felon who told us to inject bleach. Sorry, they are not the same. They’re just not the same.

For example, if you go on vacation, would you rather leave the kids with your elderly parents, or with Jared from Subway?

Good stuff.

That is actually not good stuff, given the fact that Biden showered with his daughter and Hunter banged his family. It is terrible stuff.

Convicted by a sham jury in a sham trial with sham jury instructions in a case that is likely to be overturned is the reality. The inject bleach hoax is thoroughly debunked.

So yeah, not good stuff and certainly says more about the author than it says about Trump or anyone that votes for him.

[Manetho]

Okay - Perhaps this a dealbreaker for you as well. No issues from me. You can cast your vote, just like the rest of us, with dealbreakers in mind as well as what each of us believe to be the best option for our country.

In that case I will echo Canpakes.

I’ve (not) met anyone yet who could articulate, beyond vague and sometimes unachievable-sounding talking points or fear-mongering, why they want Trump to be back in office.

Why do you want Trump to be back in office?

[Kishkumen]

Content of your post?

Yellowstone shared this post:
I think people need to understand that there are many Republicans that don't really want Trump in office, but the Democrats giving them Clinton in 2016 or Biden today leave them with no choice.

You quoted it and this is your reply:



Yeah, when you are presented with experienced, competent people, your only option is to select an incompetent, ignorant asshole as your candidate.

Is your proposed content (a.k.a. - personal opinion) that we can vote for experienced competent people (Biden/Harris) rather than an incompetent, ignorant asshole? You might see that as content. I see that as creating a politically driven self-serving narrative (framing) that attempts to illustrate how informed you are and how uninformed and moronic people who do not agree with you are.

That Trump is an asshole is an opinion that cuts across the ideological divide. His lack of curiosity, disinterest in reading, and general lack of knowledge are well known facts. His incompetence is pretty clear in the way almost every business he has made has gone bankrupt, and how he clearly had no idea how the government worked and thus found it difficult to get things done. I don’t think the incompetence and ignorance are opinions. Asshole is, but lots of people of all stripes have found Trump to be an asshole.

[Kishkumen]

That mixed metaphor doesn’t really work.

Your assertion.

I get that Trump is not an option for you. Would never ever ask or expect you to change your mind.

I don't get why you have that position and yet you campaign for Trump and drive others to vote for him. That, I don’t get. Leaves me scratching my head. And before you deny doing that, let me use a Pulp Fiction metaphor. “Say, bigot fascist nazi insurrection one more time mothertrucker and I will vote this old man’s head off”.

Great illustration of the conspiracy theory mindset. People can’t be doing what they are doing. They are really doing something else.

Unfortunately, it is very simple this time, and I do wish it were not. A vote for Trump is a vote against democracy and the Republic. Vote according to your values. If you don’t care about democracy and the Republic, or you value something else like having the Ten Commandments posted on the wall of every school more, then vote for Trump.

[Binger]

Other American citizens might see that Trump did leave the White House in 2020 and the transfer of power did take place.

Only after Trump exhausted every other option, including assembling fraudulent slates of electors and trying to browbeat Congress and his own vice-president into accepting those electors in place of the ones appointed by the states.

That happened. It is thoroughly documented, and not even Trump's legal defense team has claimed otherwise. All the legal disputes center on whether and how Trump's actions can be prosecuted as crimes, but whether prosecutable or not, they happened.

What else happened? Dropboxes happened. Ballots were mailed out and then mailed in. Hundreds of thousands of ballots were counted, all for Biden, after dark and in the dark. Laches happened. Court shams happened. Trump lost. Trump left the White House.

What else? Trump got more votes than Obama. Trump exceeded any sitting president's vote count by over 7 million votes. Trump won 18/19 bellweathers. Trump won 2,497 counties to Biden's 477. Trump got 73.6 million votes.

All this talk about Trump and what he did or did not do is interesting. It does not mean a damn thing. In fact, the more his adamanent defense of the votes and choice of 73.6 million people is brought up.... the stronger he gets among those 73.6 million people. Trump was fighting and even Robert Barnes and others said his defense/offense, in the courts, was amateur and poorly prepared. So what?

What else happened? For years leading up to that vote and for 3 years and 8 months since, a renewed assault and insult has been sustained on Americans. Those Americans have since been told to eat crap and don't complain about open borders and endless wars and infinite spending for NATO/Ukraine. Further, they were told if they did complain it was because they were dogs and Nazis. This election is a wee bit about Trump for those voters and almost everything about those voters for those voters. They find, rightfully so, zero credibility in your feigned insurrection victimization (particularly in light of the 2020 riots) and zero credibility in your fear of the only guy that stood up for their votes.