January 6th Committee alleges Trump 'criminal conspiracy'

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canpakes wrote:
Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:31 am
Binger wrote:
Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:23 am


It already happened.

Easy to say. Hard to back up with facts.
Here are the facts. One was sold as a trial, which it was not. That was a kangaroo court. The other was a riot with a guy dressed up like a goat and with justice being delivered with a pistol. That was a shitshow.
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Tue Jul 26, 2022 2:13 am
Here are the facts. One was sold as a trial, which it was not. That was a kangaroo court. The other was a riot with a guy dressed up like a goat and with justice being delivered with a pistol. That was a shitshow.
One of these examples involved a sitting President driving a narrative of a stolen election, whipping up supporters to believe a lie, to dismiss the process which has served this nation for two centuries, and to direct their misplaced pride and inability to deal with facts into a desire to dispose of democracy, trash the Capitol building, and try to appease their Liar in Chief at the expense of the larger population, election results be damned.

The other example has a committee looking into exactly how that came about, who was involved in supporting it, and to what extent, and then making those facts public, via a process that was never ‘sold as a trial’, contrary to your claim.

For you, destroying a democratic process through lies, subterfuge and mob rule is acceptable, but reporting on it is a grave travesty and therefore a ‘kangaroo court’.

And you can’t even explain why.
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What did Goebbels say about the Big Lie?
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
The antidote for the big lie are the facts, sometimes repeated over and over. That is what is happening with the January 6th Committee. The Wall Street Journal and New York Post didn't change their editorial stance about Trump because they were influenced by a Kangaroo Court.

A Kangaroo Court earns its name by 'jumping' to conclusions. The January 6th Committee has laid out in considerable detail, the case for Donald Trump aiding and abetting an attack on the Capitol with the express purpose of obstructing the Constitutional duties of the Vice President and Congress in certifying the results of the election. There was not a lot of wild speculation. This was a case made brick by brick.

As Goebbels noted, the trick with the big lie is to keep it going. When facts start to get equal airtime, things can actually change.
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MeDotOrg wrote:
Tue Jul 26, 2022 3:06 am
What did Goebbels say about the Big Lie?
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
The antidote for the big lie are the facts, sometimes repeated over and over. That is what is happening with the January 6th Committee. The Wall Street Journal and New York Post didn't change their editorial stance about Trump because they were influenced by a Kangaroo Court.

A Kangaroo Court earns its name by 'jumping' to conclusions. The January 6th Committee has laid out in considerable detail, the case for Donald Trump aiding and abetting an attack on the Capitol with the express purpose of obstructing the Constitutional duties of the Vice President and Congress in certifying the results of the election. There was not a lot of wild speculation. This was a case made brick by brick.

As Goebbels noted, the trick with the big lie is to keep it going. When facts start to get equal airtime, things can actually change.
You mean a case? Like a case made in a trial or court?

As you will notice, I am pointing to the process. A case was presented, no doubt. And it was a kangaroo court, no doubt. Further erosion of faith in the systems and process is inevitable. And, so be it. Seems like that is what is wanted.
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Binger wrote:
Tue Jul 26, 2022 3:30 am
You mean a case? Like a case made in a trial or court?

As you will notice, I am pointing to the process. A case was presented, no doubt. And it was a kangaroo court, no doubt. Further erosion of faith in the systems and process is inevitable. And, so be it. Seems like that is what is wanted.
You’re not pointing to anything other than your mislabeling, and your inability to explain any erosion of faith by anyone, except perhaps those individuals who want to pursue their lie at the expense of the greater population, and without consequences.
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canpakes wrote:
Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:23 am
Binger wrote:
Tue Jul 26, 2022 3:30 am
You mean a case? Like a case made in a trial or court?

As you will notice, I am pointing to the process. A case was presented, no doubt. And it was a kangaroo court, no doubt. Further erosion of faith in the systems and process is inevitable. And, so be it. Seems like that is what is wanted.
You’re not pointing to anything other than your mislabeling, and your inability to explain any erosion of faith by anyone, except perhaps those individuals who want to pursue their lie at the expense of the greater population, and without consequences.
I am pointing over there. Right there is someone that thinks the kangaroo court show was a shitshow without a credible process.

I am pointing at Wyoming. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Binger wrote:
Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:39 am
I am pointing over there. Right there is someone that thinks the kangaroo court show was a shitshow without a credible process.

I am pointing at Wyoming. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Geez, you don’t even know where Wyoming is.
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Morons will always defend Trump. That is clear.

Kangaroo court... only a damned moron would call it that.
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A Congressional hearing is absolutely not a court of law. By design. Why would anyone expect a Congressional hearing to be a court of law? Are there overlaps with a court of law? Yes. But a Congressional hearing cannot bring criminal charges, try a criminal case, or apply a punishment. So, uh, let's keep our dissatisfaction in the realm of the real instead of moaning about dumb crap.
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Some Schmo wrote:
Tue Jul 26, 2022 12:46 pm
Morons will always defend Trump. That is clear.

Kangaroo court... only a damned moron would call it that.
Actually, Schmo, no. Morons will not always defend Trump. That is not clear. Morons will also not always insult Trump. That is clear.

Kangaroo court is being used to describe the sham that is presented as a faux-trial with witnesses and cleverly edited videos. That may hurt your feelings and feel very divisive to you, and that is the point. The trial, er, court, er, hearing, was not meant to help you see anything but one side. Calling it a kangaroo court is a lot more convenient than calling it a partisan witch hunt or a democrat sponsored prime time congressional hearing theater.
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