do I understand the definition of a woman?

[honorentheos]

You know, sometimes I scratch my head a bit when trying to imagine the finer tunings of evolution, survival of the fittest, etc. In a lot of species, and especially homo sapiens, the males are bigger, stronger, faster. Didn't women persons with vaginas creatures that ovulate have to outrun tiggers too

Evolution is definitely bananas. Quite often in nature females are larger, if not much larger than the males. Bigger primates, from what I know, are more sexually dimorphic than smaller primate species. Perhaps when mammals get to a certain size the natural world generally favors male embiggament because to occupy physical space means one has to be able to beat the ever living crap out of lesbian primates who want the lil cutie all to herself.

- Doc

Every dystopian fantasy has the subtext that the biggest threat to humans is other humans. Add to that social dynamics and eusociality?

The good thing about tiggers is there are so damn few of them....

[doubtingthomas]

The good thing about tiggers is there are so damn few of them....

That was not the case for 50 thousand years ago.

[doubtingthomas]

Makes sense.

" a biology male has a external vagina" - Markk

I am glad there is finally some progress here.

[honorentheos]

The good thing about tiggers is there are so damn few of them....

That was not the case for 50 thousand years ago.

True. There weren't any for most of human history.

[Schreech]

That was not the case for 50 thousand years ago.

True. There weren't any for most of human history.

I swear there is a song about that…

[Markk]

because of the disease a biology male has a external vagina

There you go! Finally some progress! As I said, I don't care if you call them a biological males. Would you agree they also have a clitoris and normal female breasts?

They also have to have surgery and take hormones.

Not all of them. People with the complete version don't have to.

they will most likely have their testicles removed to avoid chances of cancer and other health reasons

Yes, but don't be dishonest here. People with complete androgen insensitivity have underdeveloped testicles (like a tumor) hidden somewhere in the abdomen, but they do have a visible vagina and normal female breasts.

What you are not acknowledging is that this disease only affects males

Sure! It only affects males that have a vagina, female breasts, and a clitoris. Do you agree Markk?

Explain this

XX INTERSEX The person has the chromosomes of a woman, the ovaries of a woman, but external (outside) genitals that appear male. This most often is the result of a female fetus having been exposed to excess male hormones before birth

Let me ask you Markk, is a true gonadal intersex a man or a woman?

TRUE GONADAL INTERSEX The person must have both ovarian and testicular tissue. This may be in the same gonad (an ovotestis), or the person might have 1 ovary and 1 testis. The person may have XX chromosomes, XY chromosomes, or both. The external genitals may be ambiguous or may appear to be female or male. This condition used to be called true hermaphroditism. In most people with true gonadal intersex, the underlying cause is unknown, although in some animal studies it has been linked to exposure to common agricultural pesticides.

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/001669.htm

LOL, Yes, they have a clitoris and female breasts and they also have herniated testicles, but they don’t have a uterus and ovaries. What you don’t understand stand is all fully developed males started out with the same way …but they produced the hormones necessary for them to grow into fully developed male sex organs.

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Not all of them. People with the complete version don't have to.“

But most do according to what I have read. They can have problems because they have testicles that can turn cancerous. And their vaginas are typically shorter and if the want a sex life might need surgery to help with that. If they get there testicles removed before puberty, then they will need hormones if the want to have a more feminine body shape.

What is complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS)?
Reviewed by the medical professionals of the ISSM’s Communication Committee

Complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS) is a genetic condition in which a child is genetically male, but develops female sex characteristics. CAIS is a disorder of sex development (DSD).

When an egg cell is fertilized by a sperm cell, each parent contributes a sex chromosome. These chromosomes determine whether a baby is a girl or a boy. Females have two X chromosomes (XX). Males have one X chromosome and one Y chromosome (XY).

Genes, located on chromosomes, contain genetic material that provide a “road map” for how the child will develop.

CAIS occurs when there is a problem with one of the genes on the X chromosome. This specific gene is called an androgen receptor gene. It governs how a developing fetus responds to androgens – hormones that bring about male characteristics.

A child with CAIS has a genetic makeup of XY. Because the Y chromosome is present, the child is born with testes, just like a boy, although the testes are undescended (located inside the abdomen). But because of the defective gene on the X chromosome, other male characteristics can’t develop, so the child resembles a girl.

Most children with CAIS are raised as females. They usually have their testes surgically removed because undescended testes can become cancerous later on. They may need treatment to develop the vagina. They develop breasts but do not have menstrual periods and may have very little pubic and/or underarm hair. They may also need to take estrogen, a female hormone, for the rest of their lives.

CAIS should not be confused with partial androgen insensitivity syndrome (PAIS). Children with PAIS can respond to androgens to some degree, but not enough to develop fully into a male or female. As a result, they have both male and female physical characteristics.

https://www.issm.information/sexual-health-qa/ ... drome-cais

Let me ask you Markk, is a true gonadal intersex a man or a woman?

I don’t know, but from what you pasted it appears to be mutation possibly caused by pesticides. I’ll check it out. What does this prove, and does this disorder somehow define what a woman is? But either way the person affected by this must make a choice as to what they will identify as being…ether a man or a woman. Unless you have another name for them?

[Schreech]

But either way the person affected by this must make a choice as to what they will identify as being…ether a man or a woman. Unless you have another name for them?

Ooof. So close. https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfAwarewolves/

[Markk]

Makes sense.

" a biology male has a external vagina" - Markk

I am glad there is finally some progress here.

You do understand that all fetuses begin phenotypically female…and as I wrote in one of the 1st posts here to you, they are biologically male, with underdeveloped male genitals. It is a disease. This has now gone full circle to my first posts.

So now that this has gone full circle…what does CAIS prove in regards to defining what a female is, sum your opinion up on this?

[Marcus]

Why do you ask... ?

LOL…

That’s what I thought.

[doubtingthomas]

LOL, Yes, they have a clitoris and female breasts

There you go! I am proud of you now. Tell your friends that some men have a vagina, a clitoris, and female breasts.
Would it be appropriate for "biological boys" with complete androgen insensitivity to change in the boys locker room?? Answer please.

with underdeveloped male genitals.

Yes, tumor-like underdeveloped testicles somewhere in the abdomen. Your point? They are not visible.

It is a disease.

Really? I didn't know, I thought everyone had it.

What does this prove, and does this disorder somehow define what a woman is?

I am not making any claims, I am simply asking you. What is a "woman"?

their vaginas are typically shorter

Typically? So it's not always the case?

But either way the person affected by this must make a choice as to what they will identify as being…ether a man or a woman.

What happened to your "biological male" or "biological female" mentality here? Let me ask you again, is a true gonadal intersex person a biological man or a biological woman?

all fetuses begin phenotypically female

Oh my God! What is a woman?