Biden needs to step aside

[Binger]

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I think people need to understand that there are many Republicans that don't really want Trump in office, but the Democrats giving them Clinton in 2016 or Biden today leave them with no choice.

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Yeah, when you are presented with experienced, competent people, your only option is to select an incompetent, ignorant asshole as your candidate.

Is your proposed content (a.k.a. - personal opinion) that we can vote for experienced competent people (Biden/Harris) rather than an incompetent, ignorant asshole? You might see that as content. I see that as creating a politically driven self-serving narrative (framing) that attempts to illustrate how informed you are and how uninformed and moronic people who do not agree with you are.

That Trump is an asshole is an opinion that cuts across the ideological divide. His lack of curiosity, disinterest in reading, and general lack of knowledge are well known facts. His incompetence is pretty clear in the way almost every business he has made has gone bankrupt, and how he clearly had no idea how the government worked and thus found it difficult to get things done. I don’t think the incompetence and ignorance are opinions. Asshole is, but lots of people of all stripes have found Trump to be an asshole.

I am not aware of any president's in my life time that were not assholes, except Carter, of course. Mondale, as a candidate, was not an asshole. My grandmother knew him and said he was not. She also said that Al Gore's dad and Bob Dole were great to work with. She like them too.

[Kishkumen]

Deal breakers for you (I have no issues with that, they are yours) are not the same deal breakers for everyone. Yours are no more important, more significant, and/or more meaningful than the deal breakers for any other American that is free to exercise their right to vote in the way they see fit. If something is a dealbreaker for you, it breaks the deal for you - other than that, it is meaningless to other individual Americans that can decide for themselves if/what dealbreakers are to them.

If democracy and the Republic are meaningless to other Americans, then they will be gone. When you are unable to fire your boss, no matter how bad he or she is, you may miss being able to fire your boss. That can work both ways, too. Democrats, Republicans, and Independents can currently fire the boss. Trump thinks that does not apply to him, and his insistence on that view may spoil everyone’s ability to fire a bad boss.

You're doing it again - You are suggesting that everybody should relinquish their individual rights to cast a vote and replace it with your personal views about Trump trying to stay in office after he lost the election. Other American citizens might see that Trump did leave the White House in 2020 and the transfer of power did take place.

I have never done that, ceeboo. No matter how many times you say it, it doesn’t make it true. Persuasion is not compulsion. I literally have no ability to make other people relinquish their rights, and trying to persuade them to prefer one course of action over another does lot even suggest such.

[Binger]

That mixed metaphor doesn’t really work.

Your assertion.

I get that Trump is not an option for you. Would never ever ask or expect you to change your mind.

I don't get why you have that position and yet you campaign for Trump and drive others to vote for him. That, I don’t get. Leaves me scratching my head. And before you deny doing that, let me use a Pulp Fiction metaphor. “Say, bigot fascist nazi insurrection one more time mothertrucker and I will vote this old man’s head off”.

Great illustration of the conspiracy theory mindset. People can’t be doing what they are doing. They are really doing something else.

Unfortunately, it is very simple this time, and I do wish it were not. A vote for Trump is a vote against democracy and the Republic. Vote according to your values. If you don’t care about democracy and the Republic, or you value something else like having the Ten Commandments posted on the wall of every school more, then vote for Trump.

Batter walks up to the plate. He is swinging the bat. He is hitting the ball. Grand Slam. He is winning the game.
Batter walks up to the plate. He is swinging the bat. He is hitting the ball. Grounds into a game-ending double play. He is losing the game.
See, they are really doing the exact same opposite things.

A vote for Trump is not a vote against democracy and not a vote against the republic. That is a conclusion not based in fact, speaking of conspiracies. The suggestion is, however, not credible and doing exactly what I am describing which is advertising for Trump. I am not concerned about the Ten Commandments. In fact, I am not a registered voter (my state uses that mailout/mailin fraud facilitator).

Populist voters do not find the accusation of being anti democratic and anti republic credible, because it ain't. The same is true about populists who voted for Bernie and populists that voted for Tulsi. They do not consider themselves anti-democratic and anti-republic.

[ceeboo]

Okay - Perhaps this a dealbreaker for you as well. No issues from me. You can cast your vote, just like the rest of us, with dealbreakers in mind as well as what each of us believe to be the best option for our country.

In that case I will echo Canpakes.

I’ve met anyone yet who could articulate, beyond vague and sometimes unachievable-sounding talking points or fear-mongering, why they want Trump to be back in office.

Why do you want Trump to be back in office?

Several reasons.

Because of knowing where I am (please don't imagine things by that more than what I mean it to suggest - that is, that I not comfortable with political confrontation, name calling, personal insults, etc - and I engage people largely determined by what I believe to be interested parties that have good intentions and are discussing in good faith) I will offer a few reasons and keep in brief.

Like millions of my fellow Americans, for the last several decades, I get my butt out of bed and go to work to provide for my family. I keep hearing how great things are. I wonder if this message is coming from people on planet earth or if it's coming from some pretend planet in space where messaging, not reality, is the most important thing.. In 2019, pre-covid, I was financially fine. My small business was fine, The hundreds of people I did business with were all fine. I believe all of this was a result of policies. Now, business is very tough - very, very tough - everything is expensive - Gas, electricity, insurance, vehicles, food, wood, supplies, paper towels - Literally everything is much more expensive. These same hundreds of people that I do business with are all saying the exact same thing as me.- I am not really interested in getting into a debate about inflation and/or the many reason that this is the case. For whatever reason, a nuclear bomb has went of on the middle class in this country and that is very concerning to me. I can't help but to think that the war of fossil fuels and governmental regulations has had a very negative impact on this.

The unmitigated and unbelievable crisis at the border - 8 million people and counting. No vetting - We have no idea who they are or what intention they have - Not vaccinated (that would require an entirely new lengthy and bizarre explanation) - who is paying for their housing? Who is paying for their medical needs? Food? To allow 8+ million random strangers to enter our country will have negative and damaging consequences for decades to come. It's insane and it's a complete failure of those who were supposed to be protecting our border. Kamala Harris, the one who was given the job to resolve this catastrophic problem, has failed miserably.

The over the top (and in my opinion very destructive) political ideology that is running rampant under this administration, identity politics. People getting federal jobs - getting promotions - getting commendations - based on the color of their skin or their sexual orientation or what gender they identify as - Does merit matter anymore? Do Americans want the best candidate for the position or is skin pigmentation the driving force?

And that was the short/brief model. I believe the current Biden/Harris administration has been a complete disaster and I will be casting my vote for Trump (a man of great ego and ought not send another tweet as long as he lives) because in my opinion, he is a far better option.

[canpakes]

In 2019, pre-covid, I was financially fine. My small business was fine, The hundreds of people I did business with were all fine. I believe all of this was a result of policies

Which ones, generally, were specific to Trump and were somehow making prices any different than under his predecessor?

Now, business is very tough - very, very tough - everything is expensive - Gas, electricity, insurance, vehicles, food, wood, supplies, paper towels - Literally everything is much more expensive. These same hundreds of people that I do business with are all saying the exact same thing as me.

I remember when lumber pricing was through the roof right after COVID took hold. That was under a Trump Administration. As for price increases, the entire planet has just come through a period of steep inflation. The US actually fared better than just about every other industrialized country as far as the rate and recovery, though.

I am not really interested in getting into a debate about inflation and/or the many reason that this is the case. For whatever reason, a nuclear bomb has went of on the middle class in this country and that is very concerning to me.

What could Trump or Biden have done that would have eliminated worldwide inflation? What do you think Trump will do that will force prices to go down, or how do you expect him to put the brakes on capitalism’s normal functioning, or to eliminate, say, shrinkflation?

I can't help but to think that the war of fossil fuels and governmental regulations has had a very negative impact on this.

This country is currently producing more crude oil -today- than at any time during the Trump Administration, so more details on how the ‘war on fossil fuels’ is going will be helpful.

As for regulations, which ones do you believe were responsible for any of these things?

You might take issue with me asking these questions, but I’m doing so to gain a better understanding of what facts Trump voters are using to suggest that his being at the helm will drive the change that they want to see.

[Binger]

A vote for Trump is a vote against democracy and the Republic. Vote according to your values. If you don’t care about democracy and the Republic, or you value something else like having the Ten Commandments posted on the wall of every school more, then vote for Trump.

I have never done that, ceeboo. No matter how many times you say it, it doesn’t make it true. Persuasion is not compulsion. I literally have no ability to make other people relinquish their rights, and trying to persuade them to prefer one course of action over another does lot even suggest such.

On the one hand, your take on ceeboo's comment is correct. Persuasion is persuasion and compulsion is compulsion. On the other hand, ceeboo is correct that you consider your view of Trump as fact and a vote for Trump as something other than a vote for Trump. His interpretation of your intent likely derives from years of content rather than from any single post or comment.

As for the effect of your persuasion or the intent of your persuasion - see your bolded quote above. That is like starting a persuasive argument with "I judge you. I am lying to you. I am applying my victimization to your choice. But believe me when I say that if you don't do what I suggest, that is evidence that you hate your country."

Apparently, it doesn't go without saying, the comments and so-called persuasive argument says more about you than it does about anyone voting for Trump. It is, in effect, an invitation to not be like you and not choose leaders you admire. It persuades people to not be gaslit, torched and misled.

[Moksha]

Other American citizens might see that Trump did leave the White House in 2020 and the transfer of power did take place.

This condensed version leaves out a world of details.

[Binger]

Other American citizens might see that Trump did leave the White House in 2020 and the transfer of power did take place.

This condensed version leaves out a world of details.

Correct. It left out the censorship of the NY Post, the 51 lying POS so-called Americans who had an opinion on Hunter's laptop, dropboxes, laches, and that graph of the votes for Biden going straight up in the middle of the night. If you have a minute, can you add that chart? Thanks.

ceeboo is correct. Trump is not president today because he left office. He turned the executive branch over to a guy that may have had a debilitating disease.

[Some Schmo]

Other American citizens might see that Trump did leave the White House in 2020 and the transfer of power did take place.

This condensed version leaves out a world of details.

I noticed the word "voluntarily" was left out of the description. It's like suggesting OJ Simpson happily strolled into his jail cell.

Remember the good ol' days when America was proud of its tradition of peaceful transfer of power? Where are those patriots now?

I guess some are in jail for attacking the Capital. Perhaps they were never that proud of American tradition. They just liked the part about guns and individual freedom (that only applied to them... you know, white men, mostly).

[Binger]

Democrats: "Joe, it's time to decide if you're staying in the race."

Biden family: "We're staying in."

Democrats: "You don't have to decide today, but definitely soon."

Biden family: "We're in."

Democrats: "Let us know when you decide."

Biden family: "Decision made, in."

Democrats: "Ok, but...