Impeachment hearings

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Re: Impeachment hearings

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What I wonder is, why is Napolitano still employed by FOX news?


Chap wrote:He has insurance?? :razz:


:smile: Probably, but what I really meant to ask is: Why does FOX News still choose to keep him, not why does he choose to remain with them.
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Maybe the Dersh charges too much.
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In clandestine midnight meetings with Deep Throat, Bob Woodward got the advice: Follow the money. The White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) controls the purse strings on disbursements.

In the next few days you'll hear about the Impoundment Control Act of 1974. From the House Committee on the Budget Website:

Congress passed the ICA in response to President Nixon’s executive overreach – his Administration refused to release Congressionally appropriated funds for certain programs he opposed. While the U.S. Constitution broadly grants Congress the power of the purse, the President – through the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) and executive agencies – is responsible for the actual spending of funds. The ICA created a process the President must follow if he or she seeks to delay or cancel funding that Congress has provided.

The President must notify Congress for any hold on the appropriated funds. The testimony of Mark Sandy (deputy associate director for national security programs) was that many in the White House OMB office had concerns on the hold up on Ukrainian aid, and they were looking for an official reason from the White House, and not receiving a satisfactory answer, Sandy wanted to consult the Office's legal counsel about how to proceed.

Washington Post wrote:“I just made a general reference to the Impoundment Control Act ... and said that we would have to assess that with the advice of counsel before proceeding,” Sandy said in describing a conversation he had with a political appointee at the agency who was his superior.

Ultimately, that political appointee, Mike Duffey, took over the process of signing off on the documents that held up the Ukraine money. Sandy told impeachment investigators that until that time, Duffey had voiced no interest in the process of approving apportionments.

So the Duffey, a political appointee, signed off on the documents that were so questionable that, according the the testimony of Mark Sandy, two people in OMB resigned, at least in part, because they questioned the legality of what was happening.

I would be curious to hear Duffey testify under oath. Mark Felt will at least be chuckling quietly from his grave.
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MeDotOrg wrote:
honorentheos wrote:... I felt it [today's testimony] left Guiliani much more exposed than previous witnesses have such that it seems problematic to not push for his appearance before Congress as part of the proceedings. But the lawyer did a good job putting buffers around Trump that mitigated his exposure

The ultimate impeachment crime is bribery. In this case the bribe comes wrapped in an authorized expenditure. The mechanism used to thwart the disbursement of that expenditure was the Office of Management and Budget. The more evidence the Democrats produce that can support the idea that the spigot delivering the aid was turned off and on at the direction of the White House, the more clear the cause and effect will be apparent.

Office of Management and Budget official Mark Sandy will testify. It should be interesting.

I'm going to offer you 5¢ head-shrink of Rudy Giuliani: He compartmentalizes the information in his life: His loyalty to the President, his law practice, his work in Ukraine on behalf of the President, his business dealings in Ukraine, and the crushing alimony of divorce #3. He is trying to juggle those 5 roles, and maintains that one area does not influence another area. Rudy is not a narcissist, but he does share the President's talent for absolutely believing whatever he says in the moment. It will become increasingly difficult to maintain juggle those 5 areas without dropping at least one of them.

If Trump kept a day planner, task #1 tomorrow would read: Remember to forget Rudy Giuliani.

Today was a one-two punch to Giuliani. The Washington Post is reporting he was in talks to take on Lutsenko as a client. Everyone following the investingation will recall Lutsenko was the Ukrainian PG feeding misinformation about the Bidens and led the campaign to undermine Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch and get her removed.

Giuliani was in talks to be paid by Ukraine’s top prosecutor as they together sought damaging information on Democrats

And punch #2? I guess Trump checked his day planner...

Trump contradicts testimony -- and himself -- by claiming he never directed Giuliani on Ukraine

President Donald Trump has now denied that he directed his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani to go to Ukraine and seek out investigations on his behalf, contradicting his own words to the Ukrainian President in the White House-released transcript of the July 25 call.

Trump also contradicted sworn testimony from members of his administration and claims from his own White House acting chief of staff.

Ahead of a Tuesday night rally in Florida, Trump was asked by conservative radio host Bill O'Reilly if the President directed Giuliani's involvement in Ukraine.

"No," the President said, before launching into a tangent of flattering Giuliani's credentials, calling him "a great corruption fighter" and "the greatest mayor" of New York City.

O'Reilly asked once again: "Giuliani's your personal lawyer. So you didn't direct him to go to Ukraine to do anything or put any heat on them?"

"No, I didn't direct him, but he's a warrior, Rudy's a warrior. Rudy went, he possibly saw something. But you have to understand, Rudy (has) other people that he represents," Trump said, adding that Giuliani has "done work in Ukraine for years."

But according to the rough transcript of a phone call between Trump and the Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, Trump repeatedly pressed for Giuliani's involvement.

Trump told Zelensky: "Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great."

Trump later said: "I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney General Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it. I'm sure you will figure it out."

A third time, Trump referenced Giuliani: "I will tell Rudy and Attorney General Barr to call."

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honorentheos wrote:Trump later said: "I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney General Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it. I'm sure you will figure it out."

Sounds like a ticker-tape parade may someday be in order for Guiliani and Barr down 5th Ave in NYC. :wink:
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It took about three years for the Republican Party to be transformed into defacto Putinist allies. That’s a real short amount of time in the big scheme of things.
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EAllusion wrote:It took about three years for the Republican Party to be transformed into defacto Putinist allies. That’s a real short amount of time in the big scheme of things.

yes, short time if any of what you claim were true.
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Do you also believe the earth is flat, subby? Even that is no more irrational than denying Trump's corruption and deserving of impeachment. In fact, I would bet that the percentage of Republicans who believe the world is flat is rather high compared to the percentage of the general public who believes that nonsense.
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Gunnar wrote:Do you also believe the earth is flat, subby? Even that is no more irrational than denying Trump's corruption and deserving of impeachment. In fact, I would bet that the percentage of Republicans who believe the world is flat is rather high compared to the percentage of the general public who believes that nonsense.


Well, I'm pretty sure he believes Devin Nunes and Fox News when they say that someone else used Nunes phone to call Lev Parnas (and receive calls from Lev Parnas). Since hr believes these rediculous defenses of Trump, he might as well just go all in and become a flat Earther.
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Has anyone read the full report? It's 300 pages and I haven't had the time.
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