Voter Fraud

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Re: Voter Fraud

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subgenius wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:32 pm
... attacking the messenger ...
What, the quote of the 'cease and desist' letter to Melissa Carone?

This one?

Dominion Attorneys Send Brutal Letter to Trump Campaign’s ‘So-Called Star Witness’ Mellissa Carone

which included:
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Dominion also took a swipe at Carone’s claims that her work for the company gave her access to any kind of special knowledge about its business processes.

“We write to you now because you have positioned yourself as a prominent leader of the ongoing misinformation campaign by pretending to have some sort of ‘insider’s knowledge’ regarding Dominion’s business activities, when in reality you were hired through a staffing agency for one day to clean glass on machines and complete other menial tasks,” the letter stated.
The tactic of 'attacking the messenger' consists of attempting to detract from the credibility of the message by attacking some irrelevant characteristic of the messenger. Thus, an accountant points to major fraud in the company whose accounts he has audited, and the company says "Hey! He we hacked his computer and he sure watches a lot of animal porn'.

If however the company points out that the person in question is not an accountant, and that he had no access to the company's accounts, that is certainly not an example of the fallacy in question, since it legitimately points to the fact that the person in question has neither qualifications nor knowledge to speak reliably on the question on which he has pronounced.

And that's basically what Dominion did to Carone. She held herself out as having been hired by Dominion as an IT expert. In fact she worked for one day as an agency help performing menial cleaning and other office tasks.

To put is simply, of those matters on which she testified, she had precisely diddley-squat competence or knowledge. And Dominion were right to point that out,
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Re: Voter Fraud

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subgenius wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:32 pm
One thing you guys can be relief upon for us attacking the messenger when your little feelings can't resolve facts against your carefully crafted hair fire.
Is it ‘attacking the messenger’ to state what the messenger was actually hired to do, as opposed to the messenger insinuating that she had responsibilities and access that she, in fact, did not have?

Is it ‘attacking the messenger’ to point out that the hair fire seems to be yours (vOtEr fRaUd!!1!), and the ‘facts’ don’t seem to be on your side?

Is it ‘attacking the messenger’ to ask you if you actually believe that any ‘narrow and targeted’ voter fraud existed on any real scale in this election? : D
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Chap wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:06 pm
...She held herself out as having been hired by Dominion as an IT expert.
Nope, and ckearly you did not watch her testimony where she does not claim to be an "expert" and even speaks to how Dominion trained her etc..
But you would believe Dominion's characterization of her because it works with their subsequent criticism of her.
You ignore facts by refusing to see and hear for yourself.
Chap wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:06 pm
In fact she worked for one day as an agency help performing menial cleaning and other office tasks.
Again, watch her testimony for yourself and then break new ground by thinking for yourself.
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subgenius wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:37 pm
Again, watch her testimony for yourself and then break new ground by thinking for yourself.
You would not be able to point out anything in her testimony that supports your case.

I watched it for laughs a while back. I await your analysis. Not that I expect you to comment on her testimony anyway, given your cowardice when it comes to staking out a position on anything.
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canpakes wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:41 pm
subgenius wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:37 pm
Again, watch her testimony for yourself and then break new ground by thinking for yourself.
You would not be able to point out anything in her testimony that supports your case.

I watched it for laughs a while back. I await your analysis. Not that I expect you to comment on her testimony anyway, given your cowardice when it comes to staking out a position on anything.
and what case is that?
you guys and Dominion are the ones making claims about her, so good luck citing those.
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subgenius wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:45 pm
canpakes wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:41 pm


You would not be able to point out anything in her testimony that supports your case.

I watched it for laughs a while back. I await your analysis. Not that I expect you to comment on her testimony anyway, given your cowardice when it comes to staking out a position on anything.
and what case is that?
you guys and Dominion are the ones making claims about her, so good luck citing those.
Lol, I love it. Team Trump trots her out to claim inaccurate job responsibilities and to make baseless allegations about voter fraud11!1, and you get butthurt over Dominion accurately pointing out what she was hired to do.

Hey, do you actually believe that any ‘narrow and targeted’ voter fraud existed on any real scale in this election? : D
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canpakes wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:04 pm
...
Michelle Obama hangs in there for another year.
The way its looking, Michelle should have been in the running for most admired man.
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subgenius wrote:
Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:14 am
canpakes wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:04 pm
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Michelle Obama hangs in there for another year.
The way its looking, Michelle should have been in the running for most admired man.
Most women would meet that criteria if compared to Trump.
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canpakes wrote:
Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:16 am
subgenius wrote:
Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:14 am

The way its looking, Michelle should have been in the running for most admired man.
Most women would meet that criteria if compared to Trump.
gotta admit it, you lost me on this stretch.
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Re: Voter Fraud

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subgenius wrote:
Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:18 am
canpakes wrote:
Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:16 am


Most women would meet that criteria if compared to Trump.
gotta admit it, you lost me on this stretch.
You’ve been cognitively lost for a while. You don’t even know if you believe that there was widespread use - or any significant scale of use - of narrow and targeted voter fraud in this election.
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