Facing The Proverbial Music

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Jersey Girl wrote:
Mr. Coffee wrote:
Bond...James Bond wrote:No...he sounds like a Utah Mormon at heart. He probably has the Deseret Flag painted on top of his orange Dodge Charger, possibly called the "General Young".


Sweet Zombie Jesus, if I ever saw someone do that to a Charger I'd be force to remove there testicles with a spork to prevent them from contaminating the human race.


My gosh, that reminded me of when I lived in the deep south and the car horns that played "Dixie". So funny!

Jersey Girl


Amendment...the car is lime green (jello) and the horn plays "We thank thee o Lord for a Prophet"
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Jersey Girl wrote:Scratch,

Thanks for your explanation and even though I know your post was intended to be humorous, I'll tell you why my antenna went up when I read your comment and introduce you to an alternative rural stereotype.

There are people who intentionally choose a rural lifestyle because of the freedom it supplies as well as wholesome environment in which to raise children. They are willing to adjust to lack of certain amenities found in city/suburban life in order to maintain it. That adjustment often requires one to be resourceful and independent.

That would be me. Many people couldn't afford what I own outright and would only experience it in terms of a vacation retreat. My mail is dropped in a country mailbox, I drive on dirt roads every day, various types of wildlife (including bears) trapse through my property on a regular basis, I can pull a vehicle out of a foot of mud, I know how to operate my own snow plow, we own "multiple guns", a country dog, I wouldn't trade it for anything...

and I ain't no hick. To the contrary, DH and I are both professionals.


Jersey Girl


Jersey--- Believe me, I am totally aware of the fact that intelligent, progressive-thinking individuals live in rural areas. (I grew up in a town of less than 8,000 people.) I just don't think that Coggins really fits the "alternative stereotype" so much.
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Bond...James Bond wrote:Amendment...the car is lime green (jello) and the horn plays "We thank thee o Lord for a Prophet"


In that case I'd have to put that poor vehicle out of her misery with a .50BMG.
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Mr. Coffee wrote:
Bond...James Bond wrote:Amendment...the car is lime green (jello) and the horn plays "We thank thee o Lord for a Prophet"


In that case I'd have to put that poor vehicle out of her misery with a .50BMG.


I think even the most liberal gun control advocates would have no problem with the destruction of a lime green dodge charger with extreme prejudice ;)
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You know, interestingly, it seems that I have caught Loran in a lie. He now tells us that he lives in South Carolina, and yet when I was giving him a hard time back in February, he said this:

Coggins7 wrote:
I do have a pick up, but I don't have a Confederate flag (and have no reason to, since I am not a Southerner),

(emphasis added)

Maybe he meant to say that he is "not a Southerner" at heart, eh? After all, a faithful Latter-day Saint like Loran would never intentionally try to deceive any of us, right?



A lie eh? Uh huh. On and on the pose continues.

How sad.

I am not a Southerner. I was not born nor was I raised in the South, nor do I integrate well with some of the cultural attributes of Southern society. With others I do. I'm a westerner and, at heart, I always will be.


Well.... I have been giving him a hard time for a while about this, since he is so fond of this "evil Liberal" straw man. I suppose to a certain extent that he does fit the stereotype of the far-rightwing whack job, who owns multiple guns and a pickup truck with a Confederate flag on the back window.


Its really long past time that Scratch, who seems hell bent on fitting, based upon much of what he says, a very definite stereotype that exists in the minds of both Conservatives and Libertarians about leftists, unburdens himself of the liberal pop cultural cartoon stereotype of the typical conservative (a perennial problem among the cultural left as a group, it has been observed for quite some time by some of the best minds in the Conservative movement) that makes him feel intellectually and morally superior but only masks his educational and philosophical deficiencies regarding much of what he believes and most of what conservatives believe about the same issues and concerns.

I have no "evil liberal" straw man to knock down. Leftism, as a political and social philosophy, is fundamentally and irredeemable wrongheaded and many times evil, yes, but I have never claimed that all or any particular liberal is "evil" a priori. Many are. Some conservatives are bad people and live personal lives less than worthy. All well and good. Political philosophy is about ideas, not personalities, and even though real people who support real philosophies that become real policies and have real consequences (such as the utterly dire consequences stemming from the acceptance of the ideas of the economic and social philosopher Karl Marx) must be held to account both intellectually and morally, it's never been my intention to tar all "liberals" as evil. Their philosophy and world view, yes. They themselves on sight, no.

I do not own multiple guns (as if there was something wrong with that) and why Scratch thinks I would have a Confederate flag anywhere on my property or in my truck is anyones guess. I will not make the attempt. It is indeed Scratch who seems to fit a classic stereotype; the stereotype of the fragmentarily and shallowly educated yet verbally and literarily articulate liberal ideologue who is long on passion, emotion, and commitment to various fashionable causes and ideologies, but short on intellectual depth and philosophical rigor. This individual gets most of his news and opinion from CNN, ABC, CBS, the Sunday morning talk shows, news magazines like 60 Minutes, and major newspapers, but shys away from extensive deep reading and study, while assiduously refraining from reading anything not already in general harmony with what he already believes. Does Scratch, like myself, read periodicals like National Review, Commentary, American Spectator, and Policy Review consistently, while also reading primary sources of leftist intellectual commentary including books, magazine articles, website essays, blogs, and the websites of leftist professors (Douglas Kellner's at UCLA, is one of my favorites)? Does he have The Road To Serfdom, Human Action, Man Against the Welfare State, and Losing Ground on his bookshelf or on his hard disk along with, as I do, numerous books and essays on Marxism, Cultural Marxism, Leftist social theory, environmentalism, Feminism, and Post Modernism? Is his Communist Manifesto, The Affluent Society and Limits To Growth sitting on his bookshelf next to Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics, Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson, and Heyek's Constitution of Liberty? Does he read studies from Heritage, Cato, and AEI along with those from Brookings and the Institute for Policy Studies?

Does he read Frontpagemag.com on a daily basis along with visits to Moveon.org and the Daily Kos?

If not, and until he does, dare he label me as "Gomer"?

I have a number of interests, including traditional martial arts (especially the classical Chinese martial arts), astronomy and cosmology, paleontology and whatnot. As far as physical culture, I love again, the martial arts, dance (especially improvisational and jazz dance), gymnastics, Chinese acrobatics, Chines Opera (particularly Peking Opera), cliff diving, and other asorted oddities.

I cannot stand American contact sports, especially football.

My musical tastes are varied, but are concentrated primarily in modern Jazz genres, including fusion, straight ahead, avant garde, and various combinations thereof. I also like some folk (especially Gordon Lightfoot), Scottish, Irish, and British folks music, Classical of all kinds, traditional Chinese and Japanese music, Celtic, Afto-Celtic, much modern African music, and etc.

What I don't listen to is pop music, almost of any kind. I love hard rock and classic heavy metal, but listen to very, very little of it, both for religious and aesthetic reasons. I got out of that when I was around nineteen. I do still like much of the 80s New Wave or New Music, and listen to that periodically. I love Lounge Vibe.


Yes, I'm your typical Confederate flag waving, gun toting, tobacco chewing, Elvis worshiping, cross burning, Nascar watching, good ol' boy red white and blue Gomer Pyle.

Get a life Scratch. Its later then you think.
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Post by _Mister Scratch »

Coggins7 wrote:
You know, interestingly, it seems that I have caught Loran in a lie. He now tells us that he lives in South Carolina, and yet when I was giving him a hard time back in February, he said this:

Coggins7 wrote:
I do have a pick up, but I don't have a Confederate flag (and have no reason to, since I am not a Southerner),

(emphasis added)

Maybe he meant to say that he is "not a Southerner" at heart, eh? After all, a faithful Latter-day Saint like Loran would never intentionally try to deceive any of us, right?



A lie eh? Uh huh. On and on the pose continues.

How sad.

I am not a Southerner. I was not born nor was I raised in the South, nor do I integrate well with some of the cultural attributes of Southern society. With others I do. I'm a westerner and, at heart, I always will be.


Well.... I have been giving him a hard time for a while about this, since he is so fond of this "evil Liberal" straw man. I suppose to a certain extent that he does fit the stereotype of the far-rightwing whack job, who owns multiple guns and a pickup truck with a Confederate flag on the back window.


Its really long past time that Scratch, who seems hell bent on fitting, based upon much of what he says, a very definite stereotype that exists in the minds of both Conservatives and Libertarians about leftists, unburdens himself of the liberal pop cultural cartoon stereotype of the typical conservative (a perennial problem among the cultural left as a group, it has been observed for quite some time by some of the best minds in the Conservative movement) that makes him feel intellectually and morally superior but only masks his educational and philosophical deficiencies regarding much of what he believes and most of what conservatives believe about the same issues and concerns.

I have no "evil liberal" straw man to knock down. Leftism, as a political and social philosophy, is fundamentally and irredeemable wrongheaded and many times evil, yes, but I have never claimed that all or any particular liberal is "evil" a priori. Many are. Some conservatives are bad people and live personal lives less than worthy. All well and good. Political philosophy is about ideas, not personalities, and even though real people who support real philosophies that become real policies and have real consequences (such as the utterly dire consequences stemming from the acceptance of the ideas of the economic and social philosopher Karl Marx) must be held to account both intellectually and morally, it's never been my intention to tar all "liberals" as evil. Their philosophy and world view, yes. They themselves on sight, no.

I do not own multiple guns (as if there was something wrong with that) and why Scratch thinks I would have a Confederate flag anywhere on my property or in my truck is anyones guess. I will not make the attempt. It is indeed Scratch who seems to fit a classic stereotype; the stereotype of the fragmentarily and shallowly educated yet verbally and literarily articulate liberal ideologue who is long on passion, emotion, and commitment to various fashionable causes and ideologies, but short on intellectual depth and philosophical rigor. This individual gets most of his news and opinion from CNN, ABC, CBS, the Sunday morning talk shows, news magazines like 60 Minutes, and major newspapers, but shys away from extensive deep reading and study, while assiduously refraining from reading anything not already in general harmony with what he already believes. Does Scratch, like myself, read periodicals like National Review, Commentary, American Spectator, and Policy Review consistently, while also reading primary sources of leftist intellectual commentary including books, magazine articles, website essays, blogs, and the websites of leftist professors (Douglas Kellner's at UCLA, is one of my favorites)? Does he have The Road To Serfdom, Human Action, Man Against the Welfare State, and Losing Ground on his bookshelf or on his hard disk along with, as I do, numerous books and essays on Marxism, Cultural Marxism, Leftist social theory, environmentalism, Feminism, and Post Modernism? Is his Communist Manifesto, The Affluent Society and Limits To Growth sitting on his bookshelf next to Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics, Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson, and Heyek's Constitution of Liberty? Does he read studies from Heritage, Cato, and AEI along with those from Brookings and the Institute for Policy Studies?

Does he read Frontpagemag.com on a daily basis along with visits to Moveon.org and the Daily Kos?

If not, and until he does, dare he label me as "Gomer"?

I have a number of interests, including traditional martial arts (especially the classical Chinese martial arts), astronomy and cosmology, paleontology and whatnot. As far as physical culture, I love again, the martial arts, dance (especially improvisational and jazz dance), gymnastics, Chinese acrobatics, Chines Opera (particularly Peking Opera), cliff diving, and other asorted oddities.

I cannot stand American contact sports, especially football.

My musical tastes are varied, but are concentrated primarily in modern Jazz genres, including fusion, straight ahead, avant garde, and various combinations thereof. I also like some folk (especially Gordon Lightfoot), Scottish, Irish, and British folks music, Classical of all kinds, traditional Chinese and Japanese music, Celtic, Afto-Celtic, much modern African music, and etc.

What I don't listen to is pop music, almost of any kind. I love hard rock and classic heavy metal, but listen to very, very little of it, both for religious and aesthetic reasons. I got out of that when I was around nineteen. I do still like much of the 80s New Wave or New Music, and listen to that periodically. I love Lounge Vibe.


Yes, I'm your typical Confederate flag waving, gun toting, tobacco chewing, Elvis worshiping, cross burning, Nascar watching, good ol' boy red white and blue Gomer Pyle.

Get a life Scratch. Its later then you think.


Gee, I must have hit you pretty close to the mark, eh Loran? If you don't like it, then don't do it to others. It is as simple as that.

And by the way: you failed to address anything relating to the original subject of this thread. And to think with all that "daily reading," you could not even uphold your own standard of "intellectual seriousness." Perhaps you would be better off playing with your nunchakus, and practicing your karate kicks, Gomer.
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Jersey--- Believe me, I am totally aware of the fact that intelligent, progressive-thinking individuals live in rural areas. (I grew up in a town of less than 8,000 people.) I just don't think that Coggins really fits the "alternative stereotype" so much.



But mostly in large, decadent, coastal cities, like Corinth, Pompey, and Rome (or New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco etc) where the cultural fruits of liberalism (and especially the forbidden fruits) are readily available.
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Gee, I must have hit you pretty close to the mark, eh Loran? If you don't like it, then don't do it to others. It is as simple as that.

And by the way: you failed to address anything relating to the original subject of this thread. And to think with all that "daily reading," you could not even uphold your own standard of "intellectual seriousness." Perhaps you would be better off playing with your nunchakus, and practicing your karate kicks, Gomer.




Move on, nothing to see here...
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Having read many of my posts, where would you place me? I'm just curious about that. I'd like you to characterize me as you "read" me. Radical feminist or moderate? How would you apply those terms to me or would there be another applicable term to describe my views on family, etc? I'm asking you what you think, I think about these issues.



I really couldn't say one way or the other. If it was LSD back on the Z, it would be pretty much right next to Harmony. Here now? I don't' know.
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The original subject of this thread was:


Some more interesting analysis and data from the scholars at The Howard Center on the overwhelming importance of the intact nuclear family and the consistent presence of mother in the home, as well as the failure of the long standing feminist project of the equalization of genders and its cultural pseudopod, the working mother who works not because of need through divorce or death of a spouse, but because of material lifestyle concerns or ego gratification (which is, unfortunately, the reason all to many men seek the career paths they do).



I do believe the essays I posted supported the basic thrust of my point (and their's), quite well. What did you want me do address?
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