Palin's Speech: What do you think?

[_LifeOnaPlate]

2) The tire pressure stupidity

Yes, I for one went out and DE-flated my tires quite a bit, just for good measure.

[_dartagnan]

I don't think they are. I think you'll be very surprised

Why would I be surprised? She is bullet proof.

What do you expect their strategy will be?

They have nothing to go on as far as experience, because Obama is the least experience of any Presidential candidate since God knows when.

They have nothing to go on with the integrity question. This women sold a government luxury jet because she didn't think the tax payers should be providing her with such luxury.

They cannot attack her on the issues like energy dependence, which will be the most important issue in the debate.

They can only try to change the debate by bringing up things she has touched on yet, such as healthcare and her lack of support for the usual liberal social projects.

Oh,and if they get really desperate, their distate for her religion will get all kinds of kudos from the atheistic fringe. As a Mormon, I find it hard to believe you would be on that bandwagon, and Obama belongs to the whackiest Church in the history of mankind.

Yes, I for one went out and DE-flated my tires quite a bit, just for good measure.

You don't think he should be held accountable for making this idiotic statement?

[_dartagnan]

You have to remember, even Joe Biden said Obama was not ready to be President. Now all of teh sudden, once he is selected as VP, he says Obama is ready. So you can't trust these guys. They'll lie whenever they need to.

[Guest]

I don't think they are. I think you'll be very surprised

Why would I be surprised? She is bullet proof.

What do you expect their strategy will be?

They have nothing to go on as far as experience, because Obama is the least experience of any Presidential candidate since God knows when.

They have nothing to go on with the integrity question. This women sold a government luxury jet because she didn't think the tax payers should be providing her with such luxury.

They cannot attack her on the issues like energy dependence, which will be the most important issue in the debate.

They can only try to change the debate by bringing up things she has touched on yet, such as healthcare and her lack of support for the usual liberal social projects.

Oh,and if they get really desperate, their distate for her religion will get all kinds of kudos from the atheistic fringe. As a Mormon, I find it hard to believe you would be on that bandwagon, and Obama belongs to the whackiest Church in the history of mankind.

I think it's too bad you call Obama's former church the "whackiest Church in the history of mankind." This hyperbole isn't going to get us anywhere.

I am well-familiar with the m.o. in these conversations where one compares the strengths of their own side to the weaknesses of the other. I understand the rhetorical political operations, and that even my candidate engages in them. I'm personally not interested in that. I don't really buy into a lot of the criticisms the "left" levels at the right, nor those that the "right" levels at the left.

Yes, I for one went out and DE-flated my tires quite a bit, just for good measure.

You don't think he should be held accountable for making this idiotic statement?[/quote]

What idiotic statement? It's a perfectly rational, reasonable, practical, simple place for anyone with a car to start. I strongly suspect that those pinkos over at AAA and NASCAR were likely the source of such ridiculous suggestions, though.

You have to remember, even Joe Biden said Obama was not ready to be President. Now all of the sudden, once he is selected as VP, he says Obama is ready. So you can't trust these guys. They'll lie whenever they need to.

Biden was running against him. Now he is running with him. Of course the rhetoric will change. cf. Reagan and Bush 1. It's an unfortunate part of the stupid game. A game which you seem to quite enjoy playing. "Least experienced" or "most experienced" mean practically nothing. What qualifies one person may disqualify another. This isn't as hard and fast as either campaign is painting it, and I suspect you may know that as well; but you only seem capable of throwing the criticism of that reality at the Democratic party in the typical pot-calling-kettle-black school.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

For the record, I think any good energy plan needs to incorporate more aspects than either party is currently suggesting. I have seen a little bending on the Obama campaign's part as far as finding a way to do some limited drilling in the US, and I've seen talk of growing alternative energy from the McCain campaign. Whoever is elected, I believe, will need to responsibly approach it with more nuance than we are currently seeing.

[_dartagnan]

What idiotic statement? It's a perfectly rational, reasonable, practical, simple place for anyone with a car to start.

But that wasn't the statement. His statement said quite explicitly that by inflating our ties, we could save "just as much money" on gas as we could from "all the drilling they're talking about doing." This proves the guy is either lying or flat out stupid.

Biden was running against him. Now he is running with him. Of course the rhetoric will change

Rhetoric? He was asked a direct question, "Is Senator Obama qualified to be President" and he responded "NO." This wasn't rhetoric, it was a statement of fact that Biden upheld during the debates. He could have said, yes, he was qualified, but I am more qualified, but he didn't. He answered teh question honestly. Now, just because he has been called to serve Obama, he's become a "yes man" and an attack dog.

"Least experienced" or "most experienced" mean practically nothing. What qualifies one person may disqualify another.

What??

This isn't as hard and fast as either campaign is painting it, and I suspect you may know that as well; but you only seem capable of throwing the criticism of that reality at the Democratic party in the typical pot-calling-kettle-black school.

So integrity means nothing to you? It is all an acceptable "game" in your eyes. I suppose that is how Obama's supporters will have to rationalize their support for him. Whatever works for you man.

Just keep in mind that most of her remarks were in self-defense. Obama took the offensive and attacked her, her small town image, McCain's real estate properties, etc. Everyone thought she was going to play the sweet mom role, so Biden wouldn't be able to debate her without looking like a wife beater.

But she surprised everyone and proved that she is every bit the fighter that McCain said she was. I will vote Republican this election because I think they are the only ones who can solve our energy crisis. It remains the single most important issue for me. The democrats have to avoid this and try to make Iraq the most important factor, while at the same time, ignoring its recent success and their chicken-shit withdrawl.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

Rhetoric? He was asked a direct question, "Is Senator Obama qualified to be President" and he responded "NO." This wasn't rhetoric, it was a statement of fact that Biden upheld during the debates. He could have said, yes, he was qualified, but I am more qualified, but he didn't. He answered the question honestly. Now, just because he has been called to serve Obama, he's become a "yes man" and an attack dog.

"Least experienced" or "most experienced" mean practically nothing. What qualifies one person may disqualify another.

Knowing Biden I don't see him always taking the approach you advise.

What??

Nevermind, Kevin.

So integrity means nothing to you? It is all an acceptable "game" in your eyes. I suppose that is how Obama's supporters will have to rationalize their support for him. Whatever works for you man.

I note that you automatically assume bad faith on my part. There must be some sort of defect among "Obama's supporters" (because, hey, we are just one mass of identical-minded individuals) evidenced by my own personal view that politicians can and do say stupid things sometimes. Sometimes they beat a drum that might not be 100% accurate, at times because they are unaware, and at times to score political points against an opponent. I see much less of this behavior on the part of the Obama campaign than I do on the McCain side. Perhaps that is because I am rooting for one and not the other. Still, if you can't see much of the garbage rhetoric coming from the mouths of the speakers at the recent RNC (and even some at the DNC!) and can't acknowledge it, I really have no interest in discussing things with you further.

Just keep in mind that most of her remarks were in self-defense. Obama took the offensive and attacked her, her small town image, McCain's real estate properties, etc. Everyone thought she was going to play the sweet mom role, so Biden wouldn't be able to debate her without looking like a wife beater.

Just keep in mind all the nonsense about Obama being an "elitist," especially her mockery of community organizing, was rather self-contradictory and foolish. It was nonsense. It was aimed to elicit a response. It was posed as a heavy-handed attack and no doubt those who don't like Obama already will buy into it hook line and sinker, but it is just ridiculous.

But she surprised everyone and proved that she is every bit the fighter that McCain said she was. I will vote Republican this election because I think they are the only ones who can solve our energy crisis. It remains the single most important issue for me. The democrats have to avoid this and try to make Iraq the most important factor, while at the same time, ignoring its recent success and their chicken-s*** withdrawl.

A few reasons I will vote Democratic this election are because I believe Obama is an excellent leader, I like his values, I like his ability to be reasonable. I like that he doesn't pull scare tactics like we heard at the RNC; all the nonsense about "he won't even fight the EVIL!!!" and ridiculous jingoism. When Mitt Romney got up there and said "I've never been ashamed of America" or whatever, I thought "you know, that's too bad. Sometimes I am ashamed of what our country has done, or may do now, but I don't think that makes me less "patriotic." I loved Obama's statement at the recent forum where he noted that just waving a flag and calling ourselves good doesn't make it so, and that great evil has been committed in the name of righteousness.

On a smaller scale I like that he saw right through Mr. McCain's and Hillary's political gimmick of the gas tax holiday which was clearly geared to please the ignorant; he spoke his mind on it when it didn't seem politically helpful to do so. I don't know of any reasonable economist who believes that was a legitimate or viable option. I like John McCain just fine. Sure, he ticks me off lately based on criticizing my candidate, but I've liked McCain for a few years now. For me it's not that McCain is a bad guy, for me it's that a global economy and a drastically changing world require something more fresh that I don't see coming from McCain.

[_Wheat]

[Metcalfe:] I watched the MSNBC coverage.

LOL!

I’ll bet Keith Olbermann is your idea of an *objective* journalist.

As for Palin and the YouTube links you provided _ she doesn’t sound much different than your average religious person in America who still believes that God has his hand in the affairs of men. I didn’t see too much to be worried over. But then I haven’t been convinced by conspiracy theorists who see a radical dominionist wolf lurking beneath the sheep’s clothing of every church-going politician in this country.

I will say this: if McCain/Palin manage to win this election, I may begin to worry that the radical liberal left will come to believe it has no recourse at the ballot box and will instead look to more extreme solutions, much like the kingmen in the Book of Mormon. I suppose time will tell.

[Guest]

Don't bring this garbage to the table. It is meaningless.

Exactly. My parody was in response to your hyperbolic, and unargued, charge that the "actual issues" are "incidental" to the McCain-Palin ticket. It cuts both ways.

As I've already stated that I'm a Democrat who voted for Obama in the primary, I thought the "tongue-in-cheekness" of my comments would be fairly obvious.

[_beastie]

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