George Zimmerman: "Head Wound" Photos and Methamphetamine

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Droopy wrote:
In the case of an older man facing a large young man half his age engaged in a brutal and continuous physical assault (for no apparent reason), one is allowed to use deadly force to prevent potentially being beaten into a vegetative state.

Too bad Reginald Denny wasn't armed in 1992 when he faced the L.A. Four.


I'm surprised to see you defending a cold blooded, drug-using killer.

Must be because the victim is black.
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Droopy wrote:
An angry man with a gun was stalking Martin.


1. CFR that he was "angry" at the time he was following Martin.


We know he was angry because he thought, "These assholes. They always get away."

Droopy wrote:2. How did Martin know he had a gun from a distance, at night?

Are you suggesting that the pysical violence started "from a distance"?

Droopy wrote:
Did Martin have "reasonable belief" that the angry man with a gun was a threat? If so, Stand Your Ground implies Martin had the right to neutralize the threat by shooting Zimmerman.


What reason did Martin have to think a security guard, at night, in a gated community of which he was not a resident and was milling around and loitering in, was a threat to him?

Martin didn't feel threatened by a security guard. He felt threatened by a vigilante that was stocking him.

Droopy wrote:I know you're making all of this up as you go along, Analytics, but just to keep up appearances, what is your evidence for any of this (not that facts or actual evidence of any clarity will matter)?

May I suggest you consult the word "if" in a good dictionary?

Droopy wrote:Now, let's translate this out of Leftese and into English: war is peace, freedom is slavery, black is white, and if you're black, a violent, brutal assault upon someone who had initiated no physical aggression of their own is not aggression but self defense because Trayvon Martin's ancestors came across the Atlantic in slave ships and picked cotton in the old South under the burning sun, and languished under the yoke of Jim Crow, segregation, and discrimination into the middle of the 20th century.

This isn't about race--it's about murder. Why do you insist that it is about race? Could it be....racism?
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This isn't about race--it's about murder. Why do you insist that it is about race? Could it be....racism?


The left is the side that wanted to make this about race. They wanted to paint Zimmerman as white even though he is a hispanic Jew. They justify this by saying he is culturally white. Therefore in their opinion, it's just a continuation of KKK lynchings.
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ajax18 wrote:
This isn't about race--it's about murder. Why do you insist that it is about race? Could it be....racism?


The left is side that wanted to make this about race. They wanted to paint Zimmerman as white even though he is a hispanic Jew. They justify this by saying he is culturally white. Therefore in their opinion, it's just a continuation of KKK lynchings.


One thing's for sure - Zimmerman is a cold blooded killer. Drug user, too.
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We know he was angry because he thought, "These assholes. They always get away."


There is no hint of anger in Zimmerman's voice in the tapes that exist. What you have here is an attitude or thought process, but not his emotional state at the time, which you are assuming without supporting evidence because it a nice fit for your ideological template, which is all that really matters for you, not the facts or evidence of the case.

Are you suggesting that the pysical violence started "from a distance"?


No. Martin more than likely approached Zimmerman, confronted him for daring, as a security guard, to follow a young black man loitering around in a gated community in which he was not a resident, and then attacked him. And given Martin's history and his social networking record, there is little doubt in my mind, at this juncture, that the attack was probably racially motivated, to a substantial extent. Martin, so far as any evidence we now have, had no reason to feel in any way threatened by Zimmerman, unless he felt threatened by the possibility of coming into contact with the criminal justice system, which Zimmerman represented.

threatened by a vigilante that was stocking him.


This is an excellent example, and a fine teaching moment, of why Nazism, fascism, and socialism are all sibling ideologies at whose core lies the complete rejection of the entire moral and rational basis of law and criminal justice in a free, open, rule of law based constitutional republic, or representative democracy of any kind.

I have encountered precisely this same vigilante (yes, YOU, Buffalo, Eric, and the rest of the Left are the real vigilantes here,inciting a lynch mob mentality in the absence of any substantive evidence supporting your case, passing vast, sweeping moral and evidential judgements against Zimmerman while having no actual knowledge of what actually occurred that night at all, smearing him with negative, pejorative labels, and all in the face of a growing body of evidence that critically weakens your perspective) mentality and attitude in some people I've talked to recently in person, in which, absent any substantial material evidence, in blithe disregard of the actual evidence that already exists, and without the slightest idea what they're talking about, have tried, convicted, and lynched George Zimmerman without a trial, without a jury of his peers, and without a shred of real evidence substantiating their heated bigotries in this matter.

George Zimmerman was a community watch coordinator for the gated community in which he lived. He was part of a neighborhood watch group in that community. He was, in essence, a security guard. His sole purpose for being out and about that night was to protect his community from criminals and thugs like Trayvon Martin, regardless of their skin color. He was supposed to be their and supposed to be following and observing the activities of a young man prowling around the community in which he was not a resident.

You and other leftists terming him a "vigilante" are engaging in nothing more than a public intellectual and political lynching based on nothing more than suspicion (mostly ideological in nature), wild leaps of subjective extrapolation, and emotional fever grounded in deep political prejudices against and for carefully selected racial collectives. Community watch groups are not vigilantes on any kind (these are not your kind of community watch groups, like those in Cuba). These are but the standard tactics of totalitarians and ideological thugs everywhere, including among the American Left, who see the world divided up into dichotomous collective oppressed/oppressor groups in which the actual behavior or conditions surrounding an incident like this simply do not matter. What matters is that Martin was black, and, as such by definition, gets to wear the white hat, and Zimmerman, as a light skinned Hispanic, gets to wear the black hat.

To the Left, the actual situation and what actually happened are of no consequence. What matters is the ideological narrative that can be extracted from it and used as a weapon of further political warfare.

This isn't about race--it's about murder. Why do you insist that it is about race? Could it be....racism?


The only people concerned about race at all in this thing are leftists just as yourself. No one else. And now you've just descended into overt prevarication. Its not about murder, for you, Analytics, and you know very well it isn't. Its about two abstract classes in a grand theoretical morality play locked in mortal combat in an unfair, rigged, capitalist society within which racism is an integral part of its superstructure.

Little else explains the way in which the Left, across the board, jumped into this fray without the slightest idea of what had actually happened, minus any substantive evidence or facts, based partly upon a doctored tape concocted by the very same kinds of leftists that dominate most of the news media, the academy, and this board (and who would have very probably done exactly the same thing with that tape had they been the one's controlling its presentation), and founded upon nothing more than that the person killed was black, and the shooter Hispanic.

Now, had the victim been Hispanic, and the shooter white, the same firestorm, based upon the same reactive ideological tropes present in the media and the pop culture, would have also occurred. If the victim had been white and the shooter black or Hispanic, the incident would never have moved beyond the local news broadcasts of Sanford and surrounding communities. Further, if the victim had been white and the shooter Hispanic, the leftist media would never have found it necessary to invent a new ideologically useful racial category, that of "white Hispanic" to characterize his racial background.

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Droopy,

What if it comes to light that Zimmerman enjoys and agrees with the ideas of Adorno? Would this suddenly change your outlook on this whole issue?
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Doctor Scratch wrote:Droopy,

What if it comes to light that Zimmerman enjoys and agrees with the ideas of Adorno? Would this suddenly change your outlook on this whole issue?




I'm going to ignore you, Scratch, as this, as with most other serious discussions on serious issues, is so far beyond your intellectual and moral capacity as to render your input rather less than useless.
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Droopy wrote:I have encountered precisely this same vigilante (yes, YOU, Buffalo, Eric, and the rest of the Left are the real vigilantes here,inciting a lynch mob mentality in the absence of any substantive evidence supporting your case, passing vast, sweeping moral and evidential judgements against Zimmerman while having no actual knowledge of what actually occurred that night at all, smearing him with negative, pejorative labels, and all in the face of a growing body of evidence that critically weakens your perspective)....

The biggest difference between "vigilantes" like me and vigilantes like Zimerman is that Zimerman literally kills his targets, while "vigilantes" like me merely speak out against such murderers.
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If our targets were black folks, I'm sure Droopy would be all for our "vigilantism."
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The biggest difference between "vigilantes" like me and vigilantes like Zimerman is that Zimerman literally kills his targets, while "vigilantes" like me merely speak out against such murderers.



There is not a shred of evidence tying Zimmerman to any vigilante or vigilante-like activities. You'll have to logically and evidential poop or get off the pot on this.

Secondly, the ideology and people you have supported, I would assume much of your adult life, are responsible for the deaths of somewhere between 100 to 130 million human beings, not including deaths incident to the numerous wars, revolutions, coups, and social chaos they specialize in engendering, and this number continues to rise.

No serious Marxist alive, on this planet, can with straight face condemn anyone as a "vigilante," a "criminal,' or a "murderer." The supporter of a monstrous, bloated, blood stained pot dares to make a black kettle of a single man in a free, representative democracy and call him a "murderer" and a "vigilante" absent any substantive evidence and in conflict with a good deal of material facts that do not comport well with the leftist/racialist vision.

Ironically, the average 20th century Marxist government is nothing more than a great vigilante organization - a gang of thugs - in suits and ties, running a racket for their benefit at the expense of the human beings under their thumbs, who must suffer, go hungry, live in want, and die in camps and before firing squads, when discovered to be politically incorrect. Those governments - all of them, in the 20th century that we know to have existed - had various political vigilantes out and about to ensure conformity, and real one's to exact politically correct "justice" on the recalcitrant.

What a great fetid bag of hypocrisy!
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