Remembering Building 7

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BeNotDeceived wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:08 am
There were over 100,000 people involved in the Manhattan project... not one peeped.
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https://www.osti.gov/opennet/manhattan- ... ionage.htm
Soviet intelligence first learned of Anglo-American talk of an atomic bomb program in September 1941, almost a year before the Manhattan Engineer District (MED) was created. The information likely came from John Cairncross, a member of the infamous "Cambridge Five" spies in Britain.
What are you talking about? News and information of atomic bomb and related projects leaked like a sieve. When I was in CI, one of sister offices was instrumental in rolling a handful of Chinese assets working at Los Alamos. Regardless, you are aware of the Rosenbergs, yes? People were busted left and right for spilling the beans during that era. And it made the news. Also, are we actually comparing the 40’s to the 00’s? Informationally, the 00’s were very different from the WW2 era. Keeping a huge conspiracy under wraps would be impossible, especially when it comes to killing your own people.

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There were over 100,000 people involved in the Manhattan project... not one peeped.
"keeping it a secret" is one problem with a conspiracy, and others in this thread are addressing that. The part I addressed was the overly-complex plots that have to work out exactly right -- exactly as they happened to work out -- with no margin for error.

Building an atomic bomb and killing a lot of people with it was all but inevitable, and just a matter of who was going to do it first. launching an array of nuclear weapons to trigger a fault line, to put tens of millions under the ocean and knowing exactly what land would end up being the new profitable beach front property, all while the economy has just lost its most important sea ports, its tech hub, and whatever else, is about as silly as...either planning or uncovering a terrorist plot, placing bombs exactly where the strikes would happen in a scenario with a lot of variables that could throw the target off, and to achieve an array of objectives across different buildings: from getting rid of asbestos to covering up Enron. All while directly killing thousands of your neighbors and big finance is both a conspirator and a victim.
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Gadianton wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:05 pm
There were over 100,000 people involved in the Manhattan project... not one peeped.
"keeping it a secret" is one problem with a conspiracy, and others in this thread are addressing that. The part I addressed was the overly-complex plots that have to work out exactly right -- exactly as they happened to work out -- with no margin for error.

Building an atomic bomb and killing a lot of people with it was all but inevitable, and just a matter of who was going to do it first. launching an array of nuclear weapons to trigger a fault line, to put tens of millions under the ocean and knowing exactly what land would end up being the new profitable beach front property, all while the economy has just lost its most important sea ports, its tech hub, and whatever else, is about as silly as...either planning or uncovering a terrorist plot, placing bombs exactly where the strikes would happen in a scenario with a lot of variables that could throw the target off, and to achieve an array of objectives across different buildings: from getting rid of asbestos to covering up Enron. All while directly killing thousands of your neighbors and big finance is both a conspirator and a victim.
The notion that guys who trained on smaller planes could hit the Pentagon with the precision necessary to take out all records of one specific unit is beyond ridiculous.
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Gadianton wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:05 pm
There were over 100,000 people involved in the Manhattan project... not one peeped.
"keeping it a secret" is one problem with a conspiracy, and others in this thread are addressing that. The part I addressed was the overly-complex plots that have to work out exactly right -- exactly as they happened to work out -- with no margin for error.

Building an atomic bomb and killing a lot of people with it was all but inevitable, and just a matter of who was going to do it first. launching an array of nuclear weapons to trigger a fault line, to put tens of millions under the ocean and knowing exactly what land would end up being the new profitable beach front property, all while the economy has just lost its most important sea ports, its tech hub, and whatever else, is about as silly as...either planning or uncovering a terrorist plot, placing bombs exactly where the strikes would happen in a scenario with a lot of variables that could throw the target off, and to achieve an array of objectives across different buildings: from getting rid of asbestos to covering up Enron. All while directly killing thousands of your neighbors and big finance is both a conspirator and a victim.
Exactly. And also, just how often does an opportunity to abate asbestos in NYC for a private enterprise while simultaneously destroying 100 computers and their servers and backups in Virginia to hide embezzlement in the government come along? Talking about killing two birds with one stone. Well, actually three thousand or so were killed, but that asbestos won't remove itself, right?
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BeNotDeceived wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:54 pm
Free speech in this nation is slowly being eroded.
This is enough information to decide not to take you seriously.

Remarkable how damned loud people are while their free speech is "threatened." Aaron Rogers is complaining about being silenced... every damned week. I've never heard so much from him as I have lately. Whoever is silencing these people is doing a horrendous job of it.

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Some Schmo wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:02 pm
BeNotDeceived wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:54 pm
Free speech in this nation is slowly being eroded.
This is enough information to decide not to take you seriously.

Remarkable how damned loud people are while their free speech is "threatened." Aaron Rogers is complaining about being silenced... every damned week. I've never heard so much from him as I have lately. Whoever is silencing these people is doing a horrendous job of it.

Morons.
There has never been a greater opportunity for "free speech" in this country than today. The internet allows every crackpot in the world to publicize their craziness to a world-wide audience. Take away the internet, and the 911 "truthers" would have been a tiny cult. Same with Q-Anon. Or perhaps there would have been no Q-Anon. To complain about eroding free speech is to make every day "opposite day."
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doubtingthomas wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:28 pm
"They're All ... Short-Bus People" - Albert Watkins
Naw, they're all people like you. People whose brains are capable of being hijacked by disinformation, just like yours.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:59 pm

Naw, they're all people like you. People whose brains are capable of being hijacked by disinformation, just like yours.
A study concluded, "Both schizotypal and autistic traits are reliable predictors of conspiracy beliefs"
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33970807/
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doubtingthomas wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:03 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:59 pm

Naw, they're all people like you. People whose brains are capable of being hijacked by disinformation, just like yours.
A study concluded, "Both schizotypal and autistic traits are reliable predictors of conspiracy beliefs"
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33970807/
Does it say conspiracy beliefs are reliable predictors of schizotypal and autistic traits? No? But that's what you have incorrectly stated here.
doubtingthomas wrote: "They're All ... Short-Bus People" - Albert Watkins
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