Close Trump ally Roger Stone arrested

[_subgenius]

Remind me again about the process here, because my recollection is:

1. Hillary and her colleagues had some hidden emails that documented some of their nefarious and even criminal-esque activity.
2. Some other fellas revealed these emails to the American voters.
3. These other fellas that revealed these emails need to be punished.

[_Chap]

subgenius seems to need some kind of a reminder of the contents of the indictment against Stone by the team led by Republican Robert Mueller.

So here it is again. Basically, you mustn't tell lies to a body like the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, or try to get other people to do so.

Is that clear now?

For those who like detail, here are the counts of the indictment:

From the True Bill of the Grand Jury (pdf):

HPSCI is the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

41. From in or around May 2017 through at least December 2017, within the District of Columbia and elsewhere, the defendant ROGER JASON STONE, JR., corruptly influenced, obstructed, impeded, and endeavored to influence, obstruct, and impede the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry and investigation is being had by either House, and any committee of either House and any joint committee of the Congress, to wit: STONE testified falsely and misleadingly at a HPSCI hearing in or around September 2017; STONE failed to turn over and lied about the existence of responsive records to HPSCI’s requests about documents; STONE submitted and caused to be submitted a letter to HPSCI falsely and misleadingly describing communications with Person 2; and STONE attempted to have Person 2 testify falsely before HPSCI or prevent him from testifying.
All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1505 and 2.

43. On or about September 26, 2017, within the District of Columbia and elsewhere, in a matter within the jurisdiction of the legislative branch of the Government of the United States, the defendant ROGER JASON STONE, JR., knowingly and willfully made and caused to be made materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statements and representations, to wit:

2
STONE testified falsely that he did not have emails with third parties about the head of Organization 1, and that he did not have any documents, emails, or text messages that refer to the head of Organization 1.
3
STONE testified falsely that his August 2016 references to being in contact with the head of Organization 1 were references to communications with a single “go-between,” “mutual friend,” and “intermediary,” who STONE identified as Person 2.
4
STONE testified falsely that he did not ask the person he referred to as his “go-between,” “mutual friend,” and “intermediary,” to communicate anything to the head of Organization 1 and did not ask the intermediary to do anything on STONE’s behalf.
5
STONE testified falsely that he and the person he referred to as his “go-between,” “mutual friend,” and “intermediary” did not communicate via text message or email about Organization 1.
6
STONE testified falsely that he had never discussed his conversations with the person he referred to as his “go-between,” “mutual friend,” and “intermediary” with anyone involved in the Trump Campaign.

All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1001(a)(2) and 2.

[_ajax18]

I just want to know what actually triggered the raid. Typically the Bureau doesn't do something like that unless there was some sort of preceding causal factor.

Think of it this way, Ajax. You're a High Value Target in Iraq. The Delta Force is definitely coming for you. They're lining up their assets, and making coordination to come getcha. And then all of a sudden an informant let's their intel assets know you just met with a group of Syrian assets, and you're getting ready to leave the country in the middle of the night. Arrangements are being made as we speak.

This triggers a command decision to move now, and instead of a nab and grab a whole contingent of tier one and two assets show up with their dicks swinging. Why? Because they're not sure who's actually there and what kind of resistance will be offered.

Violent fantasies aside, it most likely has to do with surprising him, and ensuring he doesn't destroy any evidence that's being gathered. I'm sure the FBI had a warrant to execute a search and seizure and just needed to lock the area down.

- Doc

Roger Stone didn't even have a passport. He wasn't a flight risk. This was nothing but this unelected investigator using fear and intimidation to let all witnesses know not to disobey Mueller.

In theory the government could also arrest and prosecute illegal immigrants who lie about their asylum claims or immigration status. But the don't work for thd Trump campaign.

Eric Holder lied to congress repeatedly. What would happen if he were arrested like this if he were indicted. You can indict a ham sandwich. It's just an allegation and proves nothing.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Roger Stone didn't even have a passport. He wasn't a flight risk. This was nothing but this unelected investigator using fear and intimidation to let all witnesses know not to disobey Mueller.

Oh? Is that an official memo you got from the FBI? Why would you give someone the opportunity to destroy evidence if you just showed up and politely asked him to open the door? What if he doesn't? What if he takes an hour to do it? What if he loses his crap and decides to fire off some of those guns he liked to parade around on social media?

If the FBI has a warrant, and they're going to arrest you why wouldn't they show up with a dozen agents? You want to block ingress and egress points. You need breachers. You need a forensics team to search, collect, and catalogue the scene.

You don't know what the Screw you're talking about. As usual.

- Doc

[_Maksutov]

Roger Stone didn't even have a passport. He wasn't a flight risk. This was nothing but this unelected investigator using fear and intimidation to let all witnesses know not to disobey Mueller.

Oh? Is that an official memo you got from the FBI? Why would you give someone the opportunity to destroy evidence if you just showed up and politely asked him to open the door? What if he doesn't? What if he takes an hour to do it? What if he loses his ____ and decides to fire off some of those guns he liked to parade around on social media?

If the FBI has a warrant, and they're going to arrest you why wouldn't they show up with a dozen agents? You want to block ingress and egress points. You need breachers. You need a forensics team to search, collect, and catalogue the scene.

You don't know what the ____ you're talking about. As usual.

- Doc

And then there are the Proud Boys who love Stone and might do something stupid to defend him.

[_subgenius]

Oh? Is that an official memo you got from the FBI? Why would you give someone the opportunity to destroy evidence if you just showed up and politely asked him to open the door? ...
- Doc

You seem stupid by implying that this many agents is par for the course. Im also curious how a warrant for "lying" would merit having so many agents (especially the forensic ones) involved....but hey, if you have evidence that this number of personnel and "heads up" to CNN is usual business, then by all means- put up or shut up.

[_Kevin Graham]

You seem stupid by implying that this many agents is par for the course. Im also curious how a warrant for "lying" would merit having so many agents (especially the forensic ones) involved....but hey, if you have evidence that this number of personnel and "heads up" to CNN is usual business, then by all means- put up or shut up.

Its like you don't read or something. EA already explained.

Read more and be less stupid.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Oh? Is that an official memo you got from the FBI? Why would you give someone the opportunity to destroy evidence if you just showed up and politely asked him to open the door? ...
- Doc

You seem stupid by implying that this many agents is par for the course. Im also curious how a warrant for "lying" would merit having so many agents (especially the forensic ones) involved....but hey, if you have evidence that this number of personnel and "heads up" to CNN is usual business, then by all means- put up or shut up.

Here you go you degenerate proboscis monkey:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... l0g0pMyIhm

- Doc

[_Kevin Graham]

From that Liberal armpit of journalism called the Washington Examiner:

Why the armed FBI raid on Roger Stone's home was justified

Was the FBI’s show of force too heavy-handed, as has been alleged? Absolutely not.

Lest you believe Mueller's office or the Justice Department decides how many agents are deployed for an arrest, and what type of hardware they’re armed with, you’re mistaken. The FBI makes that call. Prosecutors draft indictments and litigate in court on behalf of The People. They leave the sweet science of apprehension tactics and techniques to other professionals.

Having been involved in the planning and execution of hundreds of early morning arrests like this one, nothing appeared to be “irregular.” This was a “knock and announce” warrant service, not to be confused with a “no knock” (exigent circumstances) arrest warrant. FBI special agents were prepared to employ mechanical breaching tools to enter Stone's home if the occupant delayed their passage.

Stone was not afforded an opportunity for a self-surrender, negotiated through his attorney, because there were concerns he may have been a flight risk (Stone insists he doesn’t own a passport) or that he may have destroyed evidence had there been warning of the coming indictment. Therefore, the FBI would have been directed to take Stone into custody. The means and methods are then left to the FBI.

Some have speculated it was overkill treatment of an elderly man, eradicating the proverbial gnat with a hammer. But some of the most dangerous encounters I experienced in my 25-year FBI career didn’t necessarily come when apprehending career street criminals or violent gang members. It was often the unassuming, benign in appearance, white-collar fraudster, corrupt politician, or senior church member infected by pedophilia. These lawbreakers and miscreants weren’t adorned with tattoos or menacing glowers. But they had a lot to lose, and in their moment of reckoning, sufficiently panicked, they often acted irrationally — choosing to hurt themselves or attack the (blessedly) armed instruments of the state sent to apprehend them.

To those pearl-clutchers raising alarms about “armed FBI agents,” you must be made aware that FBI agents were granted arrest powers and authority to carry firearms back when Congress passed a series of anti-crime legislation back in the summer of 1934, precipitated by an agent’s murder during the Kansas City Massacre of 1933.

That’s why “armed FBI agent” is such a foolish redundancy. As far as Stone’s inaccurate, hyperbolic characterization of agents armed with “grenades,” it deserves no response.

So spare me the “they didn’t need that many people for one arrest” proselytizing. You don’t know that of which you speak. In the FBI, we tend to defuse situations by removing the fight-or-flight inclination, via our overwhelming presence. To arrest one, we bring 10. For 10, we’ll bring 100. And yet, we still have a wall loaded with photos of our service martyrs. None of them expected to lose their life on that particular day.

Yes, we can add Roger Stone to the sordid rogue’s gallery of grifters, liars, and justice obstructionists who once operated inside the president’s orbit. And yet it brings us no closer to a collusion connection with the Kremlin.

Please dispense with misdirected criticism of the FBI for conducting their sworn duties by safely apprehending someone accused of multiple felonies, and seeing to it that they were brought before a judge, forthwith. It’s often a damned dangerous assignment. Far more often than not, they do it with aplomb. Let’s save the Monday-morning-quarterbacking for the day after the Super Bowl.

[_canpakes]

From that Liberal armpit of journalism called the Washington Examiner:

Why the armed FBI raid on Roger Stone's home was justified

subs doesn’t even know why he’s asking the question. He only knows that he needs to try to distract, but this is all that he has to work with.