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Xenophon wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:15 pm
To expand on this as well, what else am I supposed to do but discuss the implications and interesting bits? Hand wringing won't get me anywhere. Am I happy to see Democrats fail? Nope. But what can be done here to fix that?
I'm not too worried. I think once Biden gets his bills passed, things will turn around in terms of public perception.
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Professional conservatives find a path to victory with ginned-up outrage over critical race theory

Behold, the power of FOX News and the Right Wing disinformation machine.
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K Graham wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:27 pm
I'm not too worried. I think once Biden gets his bills passed, things will turn around in terms of public perception.
We shall see, I certainly hope you are right.

Whether you think it right or not, Biden is in a very deep hole. It is going to take a lot of good work and on brand messaging to pull him out of that. What we saw last night is a pretty standard swing for the incumbent party and if Democrats don't change the play book at least a bit they may be in trouble come midterms.

The good news is they have some things coming up that may help. You mention his bills but the Supreme Court has several big cases coming up. Depending on those rulings you may have an angle to energize the base there as well.
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K Graham wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:25 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 6:20 pm


I’m not necessarily giddy, but I respect the election and don’t feel the need to invent lies to explain why the Repubs are winning some races. They had more votes. Done.

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Not referring to you. Again. :lol:

Referring to the guy who insists he's not a Republican, yet seems to be obsessively defensive of all things Republican.
Trackin’, but I just wanted to chip in my two cents. What I actually like about a Republican winning is that it undermines their fraud claims, not that facts ever matter to these people. They just quickly shift to some other ginned up grievances.

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Xenophon wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:33 pm
K Graham wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:27 pm
I'm not too worried. I think once Biden gets his bills passed, things will turn around in terms of public perception.
We shall see, I certainly hope you are right.

Whether you think it right or not, Biden is in a very deep hole. It is going to take a lot of good work and on brand messaging to pull him out of that. What we saw last night is a pretty standard swing for the incumbent party and if Democrats don't change the play book at least a bit they may be in trouble come midterms.

The good news is they have some things coming up that may help. You mention his bills but the Supreme Court has several big cases coming up. Depending on those rulings you may have an angle to energize the base there as well.
"Biden announced his American Families Plan, a roughly $1.8 trillion package that includes universal preschool, two years of free community college and expanded access to child care. It is the second phase of Biden's two-part push to boost the economy, following the $2 trillion infrastructure and jobs package, which he announced last month."

Much talk is being made of Sinema and Manchin watering down these bills, but bother are likely to pass in some form probably before the end of the year, and at the very least it will be very impactful. I mean, free preschool in and of itself is a huge feather in his cap as virtually all American families will benefit from that.
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in my opinion, Biden lost the winning playbook when he signed on to pushing a couple of big kitchen sink bills that had zero chance of bipartisan support, forcing reliance on Democrats passing the bills alone.

Instead, he should tell Congress to break the build back better plan into single issue bills and push for votes on each as an individual issue. Don't give Senators and Congresspeople places to hide their opposition in the vastness of an omnibus bill. Tie each bill to an issue facing Americans and get on the news as only a President can talking to the American people about how, for example, their rising childcare costs are seen and how the (insert bill name here) act will help them. And when a congressperson fails to support that bill, they are answerable to their constituents as to why they didn't support it rather than than being able to hide behind "too much spending" or, "I just couldn't support everything in the bill." And he will likely pick up R votes on the individual bill approach that just can't happen with an omnibus bill. Sure, progressives won't get everything they want. But Biden will be a successful president doing what he was elected to do, and prove why he won the nomination in the first place. He's being too much of a party follower rather than the leader of the nation he is supposed to have been.
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honorentheos wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:59 pm
in my opinion, Biden lost the winning playbook when he signed on to pushing a couple of big kitchen sink bills that had zero chance of bipartisan support, forcing reliance on Democrats passing the bills alone.

Instead, he should tell Congress to break the build back better plan into single issue bills and push for votes on each as an individual issue. Don't give Senators and Congresspeople places to hide their opposition in the vastness of an omnibus bill. Tie each bill to an issue facing Americans and get on the news as only a President can talking to the American people about how, for example, their rising childcare costs are seen and how the (insert bill name here) act will help them. And when a congressperson fails to support that bill, they are answerable to their constituents as to why they didn't support it rather than than being able to hide behind "too much spending" or, "I just couldn't support everything in the bill." And he will likely pick up R votes on the individual bill approach that just can't happen with an omnibus bill. Sure, progressives won't get everything they want. But Biden will be a successful president doing what he was elected to do, and prove why he won the nomination in the first place. He's being too much of a party follower rather than the leader of the nation he is supposed to have been.
This has a lot of merit. It would be nice to remove the cover. My only question is if this is feasible procedurally. I honestly don't know the answer here just curious if all that spending could be split of individually. If it could I'm not sure I really understand the giant bills, unless they really think the optics are better. I'll say I'd prefer a few small but impactful bills getting pushed through vs a potential big package just dying in the Senate.
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honorentheos wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:59 pm
in my opinion, Biden lost the winning playbook when he signed on to pushing a couple of big kitchen sink bills that had zero chance of bipartisan support, forcing reliance on Democrats passing the bills alone.
Had Biden put forth a resolution to salute the flag and celebrate motherhood and apple pie, he would still have zero Republican support.
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Moksha wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:23 pm
honorentheos wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:59 pm
in my opinion, Biden lost the winning playbook when he signed on to pushing a couple of big kitchen sink bills that had zero chance of bipartisan support, forcing reliance on Democrats passing the bills alone.
Had Biden put forth a resolution to salute the flag and celebrate motherhood and apple pie, he would still have zero Republican support.
That is so sad for him.
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Moksha wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:23 pm
honorentheos wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:59 pm
in my opinion, Biden lost the winning playbook when he signed on to pushing a couple of big kitchen sink bills that had zero chance of bipartisan support, forcing reliance on Democrats passing the bills alone.
Had Biden put forth a resolution to salute the flag and celebrate motherhood and apple pie, he would still have zero Republican support.
What I propose is what I also support. I am mess interested in what Republicans may or may not do. I strongly believe breaking up the log jam in Washington has to involve breaking up the clogging omnibus "legacy" legislation that is the way things seem to be there days.
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