Proud To Call America Your Home?

[Marcus]

Wow, this is exactly the opposite of how I perceive the person ceeboo is speaking about. Gad is far and away one of the most rational thinkers here, in my opinion.

Your opinion is noted and expected.

Thanks for another great thread contribution, Marcus.

Thank you, but you are too modest. I was only responding to your contribution.

[Res Ipsa]

(Yes, Cakes, I know what the article said, I posted it. I was interested in what any of you thought about it)

I was thinking that rather than merely accept a claim by Fernando that this reaction of Gen Z folks is because the school system has been ‘hijacked by the Marxist left’, that you might have an opinion on the reasons given in the article, which do not include that claim.

Alternately, you could help Fernando out with that claim by explaining the connection, but that does seem like sidestepping some pretty important actual reasons already noted.

The conservative attack on academia has been around since the '50s. It's a carryover from McCarthyism that has persisted. Part of discrepancy in academia is the privatization of "conservative research" from academia to private think tanks and foundations. That's only natural, given the belief of conservatives that almost everything is done better by the private market. Although there are liberal think tanks, the concept of research as a public good is consistent with modern liberal politics. So I don't think it's surprising at all that the rise of conservative think tanks has drained academia of conservatives that would otherwise have pursued careers there.

Regardless of other causes, conservatives have used this liberal slant as a weapon to delegitimize universities and university education as a political weapon for decades. That sets up a self-fulfilling prophecy that discourages conservatives from seeking careers in academia and drives them to the conservative industry of private institutions that produce a high percentage of research on topics of interest to conservatives. It's a sweet setup to be able scare conservatives away from academic careers while luring them away from academic careers into a private substitute for academia.

The specter of Marxist professors who want to destroy America brainwashing Gen Z is a moral panic by people who consider themselves immune to brainwashing.

[Res Ipsa]

It's easy to see American citizens losing their sense of pride in our country when we elected such a moron and despot to be our leader.

Yeah, I'm not a Biden fan either.

If a third of the country is only interested in "owning the libs" and is willing to let the country burn to do so

Many parts of the country did burn (literally - but I think our mainstream media called it "mostly peaceful protests") but I don't think you understand who it is that is willing to let it burn.

what exactly do we have to be proud about?

You can't think of anything?

Did you have any opinions about the Gen Z number being 16%?

Ceebs, if you only paid attention to the fires, then you didn't notice the peaceful protests and the fact that a small minority of protestors committed acts of violence. We saw weeks of daily protests -- hundreds of thousands of people. One anarchist set fire to three police cars during one large protest downtown. An unidentified person set fire to a small construction shed. There was exactly one "BLM" sponsored protest march. The marchers were 100% peaceful, in part because the organizers avoided the Capitol Hill police station which had become a magnet for the minority of folks that insist on violently confronting police. I run into people who still think that major portions of Seattle were destroyed by fires. Never happened, although Fox showed pictures from another city and claimed it was Seattle.

[Morley]

Hey Morley

Ceeboo, you asked a question and Gad responded. I'm curious as to whether or how you're going to address this.

No, I wasn't going to respond but I'll make you a deal: If you can point me to the part where I said anything about a Marxist - or a secret Marxist - or place where I deeply believe a suggested problem exists - or the part where I mentioned anything about Trump - or a part where I mentioned anything about a Trump rally - I will consider replying.

Sure, I’ll do it again—though Gadianton already did so in his post.


Here’s Fernando’s post, followed by your reply. The bolding is mine.

The Marxist Left has been trying to destroy this country for over 50 years. They have hijacked the education system, the press, and social media. The younger generation feels that they are a bunch of racist, homophobic, depressing white supremacists who never should have been born. And the Left, knowing that when there are no Americans, there will be no America as we know it, has slowly plotted to destroy the American Dream. 

I agree with you concerning the political hijacking of the education system and the great majority media sources. The good news, in my opinion, at least as it relates to mainstream media sources, is that these media sources will become less and less powerful and they will lose the ability to control the narrative (This is already happening and I think it will only continue to grow, at warp speed, as the population tires of status quo and seeks truth above all), There are many other options that are now available today (podcasts, Rumble, Twitter (now that it's Musk owned), etc) and these options will effectively crush our current media sources while significantly reducing their revenue streams. And that is great for Americans, in my opinion.

[canpakes]

The Marxist Left has been trying to destroy this country for over 50 years. They have hijacked the education system, the press, and social media. The younger generation feels that they are a bunch of racist, homophobic, depressing white supremacists who never should have been born.

Weirdly, we have one or two eccentric members who’ve spent their days angrily and repeatedly calling, without reason, most everyone else on the board racist and/or homophobic. I wonder what’s up with those guys, and if they’re Marxists. I can’t say that I’d blame a Gen Z’er for feeing less than proud or positive about the Nation’s prospects if they were to encounter the fits and antics of those members.

[ceeboo]

Hey Morley

No, I wasn't going to respond but I'll make you a deal: If you can point me to the part where I said anything about a Marxist - or a secret Marxist - or place where I deeply believe a suggested problem exists - or the part where I mentioned anything about Trump - or a part where I mentioned anything about a Trump rally - I will consider replying.

Sure, I’ll do it again—though Gadianton already did so in his post.


Here’s Fernando’s post, followed by your reply. The bolding is mine.

The Marxist Left has been trying to destroy this country for over 50 years. They have hijacked the education system, the press, and social media. The younger generation feels that they are a bunch of racist, homophobic, depressing white supremacists who never should have been born. And the Left, knowing that when there are no Americans, there will be no America as we know it, has slowly plotted to destroy the American Dream. 

I agree with you concerning the political hijacking of the education system and the great majority media sources. The good news, in my opinion, at least as it relates to mainstream media sources, is that these media sources will become less and less powerful and they will lose the ability to control the narrative (This is already happening and I think it will only continue to grow, at warp speed, as the population tires of status quo and seeks truth above all), There are many other options that are now available today (podcasts, Rumble, Twitter (now that it's Musk owned), etc) and these options will effectively crush our current media sources while significantly reducing their revenue streams. And that is great for Americans, in my opinion.

Morley,

Okay, to keep my end of the deal, I considered it and I have decided to respond very, very briefly.

When I said that "I agree with you concerning the political hijacking of the education system and the great majority of media sources", I did not intend to imply that I was agreeing with the marxist part of that statement or the 50 years part of the statement. I understand that it reads like I was so if you want to hold me to it, no worries on my end. Hold away!

[ceeboo]

Weirdly, we have one or two eccentric members who’ve spent their days angrily and repeatedly calling, without reason, most everyone else on the board racist and/or homophobic. I wonder what’s up with those guys, and if they’re Marxists. I can’t say that I’d blame a Gen Z’er for feeing less than proud or positive about the Nation’s prospects if they were to encounter the fits and antics of those members.

Your post wasn't very clear. Are you suggesting that I am one of these "eccentric members?"

[canpakes]

Weirdly, we have one or two eccentric members who’ve spent their days angrily and repeatedly calling, without reason, most everyone else on the board racist and/or homophobic. I wonder what’s up with those guys, and if they’re Marxists. I can’t say that I’d blame a Gen Z’er for feeing less than proud or positive about the Nation’s prospects if they were to encounter the fits and antics of those members.

Your post wasn't very clear. Are you suggesting that I am one of these "eccentric members?"

Only if you’ve spent your days here angrily and repeatedly calling, without reason, most everyone else on the board racist and/or homophobic. I haven’t noticed that. The description doesn’t fit you, unless you’ve been muttering those things inaudibly as you post.

I remember you fondly for your Thanksgiving bun-stacking contests with your family. That’s much less Marxist.

[Gadianton]

No. I was a Green Eggs and Ham guy. Are you suggesting I might need to read it?

I think it's a great book. I don't think anyone "needs" to read it, but it's as good as it gets in regards to identity politics.

When you were a kid, did you know your right-wing best friend (the pilot) or did you two begin developing this strong friendship once you were both grown men?

I think you're getting the right-wingers in my life mixed up, which is okay since I know so many. The "right-wing friend" I usually talk about is a retired trade-related business owner who is confrontational and talks politics and tends to make enemies; good guy but difficult to say the least. The Pilot guy is as charismatic as they come and well-loved by everyone. He never initiates controversial conversation but the other guy does, so I know what he thinks because of that. Yes, he's very much a right-wing dude. I know both of them only from my walks. I moved a few years ago and there's a popular walking area.

My "best friend" from high school, believe or not is an off-the-rails conspiracy theorist and ardent right-winger, anti-vaxxer, and semi-white nationalist, but he's in his own world; brilliant guy. I have no idea if he even supports Trump or not, he's really into Mormon-based conspiracy theories, probably even too unique for LDS Freedom forum. When we were kids, he got me into conspiracy literature and I too was a right-wing conspiracy theorist in my late teens and early 20s.

[canpakes]

When we were kids, he got me into conspiracy literature and I too was a right-wing conspiracy theorist in my late teens and early 20s.

What saved you? Intense therapy? A sharp blow to the head? Energy drinks?