Tina Peters sentenced to 9 years

[Moksha]

Kamala Harris wins the election and on the first day as president of the United States and the first thing she does as Chief Executive of the Nation is to sign a paper which grants a pardon to Donald Trump. Later that day she gives her first news conference where she says that she forgives Donald Trump for all the hateful things he said about her and wishes him well. That would be a significant way to start the healing process in the USA.

Are you thinking this will keep the MAGA Hoards from loading up their shotgun, jumping in pickup trucks, and heading to Washington? Or more in line with Trump and some minions fleeing to Moscow with national secrets?

[Chap]

Well, you see, she was an election official. And no doubt since waaaay back it has been the duty of election officials to see that no unauthorised person is allowed to fiddle around with the system that handles voting data. It's not hard to see why that is important, is it? You agree that it should not be possible to let election officials to allow that to happen - right? You don't have to have anything to hide to think that is a bad and dangerous thing to happen.

But this person allowed "a man associated with MyPillow’s Mike Lindell to enter the Mesa County election system after the 2020 election—a breach that gave illegal access to the very voting data it was her job to protect". And the man she let in was not some college researcher who was just interested in the way the statistics panned out. It was a person associated with a fervent supporter of the guy who lost the election. She must have known that what she was doing was wrong and illegal, and that any repetition needed to be strongly discouraged. So the judge gave her a tough sentence, of which it is to be hoped that others will take notice.

When you say fiddle around with the data was he altering it or just looking at it?

The only reliable way to eliminate the risk of unauthorised persons fiddling around with the data on a vitally important election system is to deny them access to it. That's why she was forbidden from letting unauthorised persons (the clue is in that word) from having access to the election system. She broke that prohibition.

[Res Ipsa]

When you say fiddle around with the data was he altering it or just looking at it?

The only reliable way to eliminate the risk of unauthorised persons fiddling around with the data on a vitally important election system is to deny them access to it. That's why she was forbidden from letting unauthorised persons (the clue is in that word) from having access to the election system. She broke that prohibition.

I guess it’s perfectly okay to hack into the NSA s as long as I don’t touch anything.

Election deniers were apoplectic over claims that voting machines were hooked up to the Internet. (They weren’t.) But by Ajax’s reasoning, it would be perfectly fine for an election worker to just hook a machine yup to the internet as long as no one used the connection. Shoot, it would be just fine for me to hack into his medical records — I mean, what is he hiding?

[yellowstone123]

Kamala Harris wins the election and on the first day as president of the United States and the first thing she does as Chief Executive of the Nation is to sign a paper which grants a pardon to Donald Trump. Later that day she gives her first news conference where she says that she forgives Donald Trump for all the hateful things he said about her and wishes him well. That would be a significant way to start the healing process in the USA.

That's one of the worst ideas I can imagine. You can't forgive a guy who's done nothing for restitution; it's an awful precedent.

You seem to underestimate how many people in this country are sick of powerful people getting away with everything, especially an obvious thug like Trump. You want to start healing America? Hold Trump accountable. He's a convicted felon, and no amount of handwaving and rationalizing changes that simple fact.

I agree that he's a thug; likely, significantly more than we could even imagine. I don't have an answer how to get rid of him. I've been writing for a long time that he doesn't need to take his method of operation into national politics. And like I wrote, unless it is shown that he is no better than a guy on the street that attacks and physically harms someone or orders it on American land, then let it go like they let Nixon go.

But on the other hand he actually may win. Then what? In my dream Ron DeSantis still gets to jump back into the arena. If Trump is gone; J.D Vance takes over as the presidential candidate and Ron DeSantis or Nikki Haley gets to be a vice presidential candidate, then I''ll be a happy camper.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

The only reliable way to eliminate the risk of unauthorised persons fiddling around with the data on a vitally important election system is to deny them access to it. That's why she was forbidden from letting unauthorised persons (the clue is in that word) from having access to the election system. She broke that prohibition.

I guess it’s perfectly okay to hack into the NSA s as long as I don’t touch anything.

Election deniers were apoplectic over claims that voting machines were hooked up to the Internet. (They weren’t.) But by Ajax’s reasoning, it would be perfectly fine for an election worker to just hook a machine yup to the internet as long as no one used the connection. Shoot, it would be just fine for me to hack into his medical records — I mean, what is he hiding?

Don’t forget it’s perfectly ok to delete 29,000 files on NASA’s computer systems, too.

[yellowstone123]

Kamala Harris wins the election and on the first day as president of the United States and the first thing she does as Chief Executive of the Nation is to sign a paper which grants a pardon to Donald Trump. Later that day she gives her first news conference where she says that she forgives Donald Trump for all the hateful things he said about her and wishes him well. That would be a significant way to start the healing process in the USA.

Are you thinking this will keep the MAGA Hoards from loading up their shotgun, jumping in pickup trucks, and heading to Washington? Or more in line with Trump and some minions fleeing to Moscow with national secrets?

Anything to calm them down. At times the pickup truck scene is funny but then at times it's concerning because many times they're waving the Confederate flag along with the American Flag while they drive down Main Street honking and yelling stuff out the window. But when I think of the U.S Civil War and the Confederacy I think of this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor ... /#lightbox

As to Russia, I think they already know the national secrets. They likely planted the information into the mind of a D.C Bureaucrat as he sat alone at a bar and overheard two Russian agents suggesting a certain program that would fool the Russians.

[Some Schmo]

And like I wrote, unless it is shown that he is no better than a guy on the street that attacks and physically harms someone or orders it on American land, then let it go like they let Nixon go.

He incited a riot on the Capital to try to retain power (among many other crimes) that saw 4 officers dead and 140 or so injured. That is a much worse crime than assault (for which he has also been found guilty in a civil court).

[yellowstone123]

And like I wrote, unless it is shown that he is no better than a guy on the street that attacks and physically harms someone or orders it on American land, then let it go like they let Nixon go.

He incited a riot on the Capital to try to retain power (among many other crimes) that saw 4 officers dead and 140 or so injured. That is a much worse crime than assault (for which he has also been found guilty in a civil court).

I'll kind of back off here. Police officers and police work are kind of dear to my heart and hits home. Harm that comes to them through stress, PTSD, or other ways needs to be addressed. The Departments are trying to address this and have for the past fifty years but sometimes it's not enough.

As to Trump, I agree about what you wrote. But since he didn't plead guilty like some of his lawyers, I would have liked to see something like, and all appeals exhausted.

In my view, it's clear that he abuses the legal system to an unbelievable degree and has been doing it for years, but that's the system that we have in the USA and I don't know what else to say about it.

[Res Ipsa]

He incited a riot on the Capital to try to retain power (among many other crimes) that saw 4 officers dead and 140 or so injured. That is a much worse crime than assault (for which he has also been found guilty in a civil court).

I'll kind of back off here. Police officers and police work are kind of dear to my heart and hits home. Harm that comes to them through stress, PTSD, or other ways needs to be addressed. The Departments are trying to address this and have for the past fifty years but sometimes it's not enough.

As to Trump, I agree about what you wrote. But since he didn't plead guilty like some of his lawyers, I would have liked to see something like, and all appeals exhausted.

In my view, it's clear that he abuses the legal system to an unbelievable degree and has been doing it for years, but that's the system that we have in the USA and I don't know what else to say about it.

Don't most convicted felons serve their sentences while they appeal? Are there factors that courts use to determine whether a convicted felon stays free pending appeal? (This stuff is deep weeds for me.)

[yellowstone123]

I'll kind of back off here. Police officers and police work are kind of dear to my heart and hits home. Harm that comes to them through stress, PTSD, or other ways needs to be addressed. The Departments are trying to address this and have for the past fifty years but sometimes it's not enough.

As to Trump, I agree about what you wrote. But since he didn't plead guilty like some of his lawyers, I would have liked to see something like, and all appeals exhausted.

In my view, it's clear that he abuses the legal system to an unbelievable degree and has been doing it for years, but that's the system that we have in the USA and I don't know what else to say about it.

Don't most convicted felons serve their sentences while they appeal? Are there factors that courts use to determine whether a convicted felon stays free pending appeal? (This stuff is deep weeds for me.)

I would say you know more than I because I'm not a lawyer. What you are saying does sounds right. Many individuals are serving time as they appeal their conviction and others are denied bail prior to trial. Perhaps it might be the risk of harm to society. In the news they always bring up the risk of flight when addressing this issue. People here can see the arguments for or against Trump being a present threat to society, especially since he's running again to be President. I understand those who believe he should be incarcerated and eating lunch with P. Diddy, Harvey Weinstein and Sam Bankman-Fried, but unfortunately Trump is at a whole different level. The consequences of him going to jail could set off civil unrest. I'm sure in the long run we'll be okay because we have a system of checks and balances. If the presidency fails we still have a Congress and Supreme Court until the executive branch is rebuilt.