No Trump defenders left ...?

[_Chap]

... when a goverment grows to the point that it spends more than it receives, then it creates a problem of simple math ...

I have to say it. LOL.

The fact that you think that government finance works the same way as those of an ordinary person living from pay check to pay check shows you don't know what you are talking about. Let's give you a simple example:

1. Countries A and B both start without any roads suitable for wheeled vehicles, so goods have to move about on the backs of people or mules. They are both pretty damn dirt poor.

2. Country A decides that the government will go into debt by spending more than it receives from tax, and borrows abasing future tax receipts in order to build a basic road network. Country B goes with the 'simple math', and does not.

3. Result: commerce in Country A becomes much more profitable because of the more rapid and cheaper transport network, and the government eventually raises more money from taxes on commerce to repay its loans. Country B stays as poor as it was at the beginning.

You'd rather live in Country B, where they live by the 'simple math', I suppose?

[_Dr Exiled]

We only have lying to the FBI so far.

All he has to do is click on this link:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... arges.html

- Doc

I saw your prior post Doc to Morley. The convictions so far are for lying to the most holy FBI and for other crimes non-related to collusion with the Russians. If Mueller can make his case, more power to him and I will become a believer in anti-trumpism. However, at this point, I would like to see more prior to conversion.

[_Bach]

And while your at it, how much more, percentage wise, does the average federal employee make when compared to the private workforce?

Why do you ask? Do you think the "average federal employee" is overpaid?

Absolutely I do. The level of effort and ambition is all that needs to be discussed in this conversation. And the proof is: those being furloughed; IMHO most, of not all, never had an alternative vocation to seek. Nor do they contribute to any to anything of benefit to me for my tax dollar. And we are witnessing it as we speak.

And that’s why they never sought a career into an environment where ambition, competition and contribution to success was ever a factor in consideration of their future value! Or, at least at an obvious minimum mutually standar of reason, why, if any govt worker had ANYTHING OF VALUE IN LIFE, to contribute to any organization, would they still be subjecting themselves to this?

Now doubt a perspective that will insult most here!

But not sorry folks. You, like these sad sams of the govt workforce, choose where you want to spend all your productive time!

Think about it!!!

[_Chap]

Well, his being the President of the United States, and his having got into the habit of repeating Russian propaganda

Do you think he is a manchurian candidate? Or perhaps it's just apologist propaganda? Or maybe I am a victim of anti-mormon ... I mean anti-western propaganda?

Obviously, Putin likes air, water, and food. If I like the same things, am I a Putin Puppet?

Read this, then tell me what you think:

viewtopic.php?p=1163097#p1163097

Whaddyaknow.

I was looking this up for a few examples to illustrate the point and found that Maddow did a bit on it just yesterday:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watc ... _tw_maddow

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watc ... _tw_maddow

I guess it's not too coincidental given that the inspiration for the observation is probably the same story, but go figure.

God almighty. I just watched that. The TL/DR is:

1. Shortly after taking over, the Trump administration started asking for information on a supposed risk of Polish incursions into Belarus - a risk that existed ONLY in Russian propaganda sources, and which even the most bizarre commentators in the US had not put forward.

2. More recently, Trump did an unmotivated spiel in a Fox interview on how the people of Montenegro (a tiny Balkan country) were 'very aggressive' and might start World War 3. Again, the idea of this was purely an artefact of Russian state propaganda, which was the only source from which Trump could have heard of this weird idea. By the way, the Russians had just sponsored a failed coup in Montenegro, in an attempt to prevent Montenegro joining NATO, which they did shortly after. And we've all seen the tape of Trump shoving the Montenegran prime minister aside at the subsequent NATO summit).

3. Yesterday, at a supposed 'cabinet meeting' at which 90 minutes of filmed business consisted mostly of a rambling speech from Trump, he suddenly lurched into a statement that the Russian coup and invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 was justified 'because terrorists were going into Russia.' Again, the only source for this notion is Putin's political party in Russia, which is planning to introduce a law proclaiming exactly that.

Someone's clearly feeding him this stuff. And whoever is doing so has a strong enough hold over him to ensure that he does not forget to repeat it whenever he gets a chance. He doesn't read briefing papers, he gets the names of allied leaders and foreign countries wrong, but this stuff gets delivered as from a script. (Hands up anyone who believes Trump had ever heard of Montenegro before? No? Thought not!)

Not good.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

All he has to do is click on this link:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... arges.html

- Doc

I saw your prior post Doc to Morley. The convictions so far are for lying to the most holy FBI and for other crimes non-related to collusion with the Russians. If Mueller can make his case, more power to him and I will become a believer in anti-trumpism. However, at this point, I would like to see more prior to conversion.

BULL. crap.

You didn't READ the damned information IF YOU HAD CLICKED ON THE LINK AND RAN YOUR DAMN EYES OVER THE WORDS. Jesus Christ WHAT IS IT WITH YOU PEOPLE?

- Doc

[_Dr Exiled]

Read this, then tell me what you think:

viewtopic.php?p=1163097#p1163097

But Trump? Don't you think the Russians would select a better manchurian? Sure, it's possible, but, Trump is so hated by a lot of people and I think he was elected only because enough hated Hillary. It was the battle of the hated candidates and Trump lucked out via the electoral college.

[_Dr Exiled]

BULL. ____.

You didn't READ the ____ information IF YOU HAD CLICKED ON THE LINK AND RAN YOUR DAMN EYES OVER THE WORDS. Jesus Christ WHAT IS IT WITH YOU PEOPLE?

- Doc

I read it. It's all lying to the FBI and other unrelated crimes to collusion. If I did a dragnet investigation of ex-mos, I'm sure I would find some pot, ecstasy, lsd, and other illegal substances, not that there is anything wrong with it, but I'm sure I would find it because of the tendency to go opposite once one finds out that the authoritarians were wrong. Anyway, I'm not a Trump fan but just get me some more evidence. Sometimes where there is smoke there is fire, but sometimes the fire is out by the time one gets there or the fire didn't exist in the first place.

However, I do need a new prescription....

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Exiled. If you're posting that, then you didn't read it. You're a damn ing liar.

- Doc

[_Markk]

... when a goverment grows to the point that it spends more than it receives, then it creates a problem of simple math ...

I have to say it. LOL.

The fact that you think that government finance works the same way as those of an ordinary person living from pay check to pay check shows you don't know what you are talking about. Let's give you a simple example:

1. Countries A and B both start without any roads suitable for wheeled vehicles, so goods have to move about on the backs of people or mules. They are both pretty damn dirt poor.

2. Country A decides that the government will go into debt by spending more than it receives from tax, and borrows abasing future tax receipts in order to build a basic road network. Country B goes with the 'simple math', and does not.

3. Result: commerce in Country A becomes much more profitable because of the more rapid and cheaper transport network, and the government eventually raises more money from taxes on commerce to repay its loans. Country B stays as poor as it was at the beginning.

You'd rather live in Country B, where they live by the 'simple math', I suppose?

HUH? Who said it works the same, I am saying goverment only survives becasue of private sector monies, and that when goverment expenditure exceeds revenues received by the private sector (tax revenue) then they have a debt issue.

When country A tax payer paid planning commission cost more to operate due to high salary and pensions, along with poor oversight... than they have money to pay for new roads, they then need to borrow money and pay interest to construct roads.

We are in debt...it isn't working. The first thing we do has household when money gets tough is stop spending, we don't borrow more money we can payback or charge our credit cards...when we do what happens?

[_Dr Exiled]

Exiled. If you're posting that, then you didn't read it. You're a ____ ing liar.

- Doc

Your link goes to "page not found" now. But I read it prior and will read it again .... and we can go over it point by point if you want. Just provide another link.

Obviously I don't want to be called a damned liar by you and will do anything to correct any misperception.