Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[Jersey Girl]

Everyone should read the text of this speech if you haven't already. Please read it.

Zelensky’s address to Congress, annotated
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2022/03 ... annotated/

Here is the video. Please WATCH it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyQRAYFGKeQ

[Jersey Girl]

Could someone please listen to this approx. 12 minute video and CRITIQUE IT for me???? I need help understanding if this sounds feasible or not.

Prepping - What REALLY caused the Ukraine/Russia War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWy8Ms5EbW8

[Gadianton]

Could someone please listen to this approx. 12 minute video and CRITIQUE IT for me???? I need help understanding if this sounds feasible or not.

Prepping - What REALLY caused the Ukraine/Russia War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWy8Ms5EbW8

So, an opinionated "regular guy" is going to tell us all how it is. Once you get to, "Ukraine is corrupt...why do you think Hunter was there?" he's lost any credibility he might have had. But because it was short and you were interested in it, I persevered. Most of what he claims as intel could be invented after the fact since everyone and their dog has been saying Putin had false hopes, believing his own lies, and that corruption explains numerous failures. So anyone can make up a story revealing all, using these basic plot points that are already out in the open.

The specific information that I haven't heard elsewhere, is that Putin had his generals on a corruption campaign, to bribe the highest powers of Ukraine to pull off a coup, his generals reported billions had been spent in bribes but they had pocketed the money and so Putin's expectations were dashed when his tanks rolled in and Ukraine didn't welcome him with open arms.

Sounds like a typical fabrication or conspiracy theory to me. Specifically, the selling point of the alleged intelligence isn't the evidence presented for it, which is none, but the story-telling explanatory value for the apparent false hopes Putin had of being welcomed with open arms. Because the story seems to make sense of this bizarre fact, that means it's probably true. No, evidence of the corruption campaign would make it true.

But, I mean, if you've paid off a bunch of officials to overthrow the government, why not just sit back and let them overthrow it? Why do you need to bring tanks in? That just makes it look like you had something to do with it. You'd want it to look like the coup was the legitimate decision of authorities in power who the people would potentially follow. And to basically overthrow every last village in the entire country in one day? You'd have to have a hell of a lot of folks in power in on it, and the more in on it, the less chance of keeping it a secret. Of course, even if such a plan doesn't really make any sense on further thought, it doesn't mean they didn't have such a plan, if the evidence shows that they did. But the selling point of the theories explanatory value is pretty superficial.

But stuff like this, without hard evidence, is basically adding conjecture to speculation. Nobody really knows if Putin really believed his soldiers would be accepted with open arms. That itself is speculation. It seems that Russian troops had been told that. But they are apparently lied to up until the last minute when they are given their real instructions. Well, there's decent reason for that. Let me give you an example.

My right-wing friend today told me about a top secret military operation that's going to be happening in another country because his grandchild is getting deployed there. See? 170,000 troops all with family in Ukraine can't be told weeks or days in advance that they're going to siege every city in Ukraine. People are inferring that Putin himself believed the same thing because his army was so unprepared. But there are other explanations for that. I highly doubt Putin believed Ukraine was going to welcome him with open arms. I believe he thought that they wouldn't put up a great fight, and that the American style quick invasion and overthrow would work out.

[Jersey Girl]

Gad thank you!

[honorentheos]

But stuff like this, without hard evidence, is basically adding conjecture to speculation. Nobody really knows if Putin really believed his soldiers would be accepted with open arms. That itself is speculation. It seems that Russian troops had been told that. But they are apparently lied to up until the last minute when they are given their real instructions. Well, there's decent reason for that. Let me give you an example.

Exactly.

Cristo Grozev can be followed on Twitter, and Yulia Latynina has a number of English language articles one can look up to get a sense of their journalistic positions and background. Both are intensely anti-Putin, and both include a significant amount of Op-Ed journalism in that vein. What Gorsev says to Latynina in an interview isn't the hidden secret that unlocks the mystery of why Putin invaded. It's two anti-establishment journalists discussing events where a month before they had different takes on it if one looks at their January offerings.

Now, there is strong, widely reported on evidence there was an attempted coup against Zelensky's government that was stopped back in December. And there are reputable reports that officers in the Russian FSB fed intel to Ukraine about attempts on Zelensky's life after the war started that were directly in opposition to Putin's orders. Putin is reportedly jailing generals and dealing with internal issues, and there are growing concerns that Russia will evolve into a true totalitarian state as Putin engages in propoganda warfare at home. That's hinted at or talked about in the video but it isn't a straight line between any of those and Putin being misled into starting the war.

The YouTube video is, in my opinion, under 20k views for a reason. It's not that good of a secret that it is being overlooked but legit. It's conspiracy-level YouTubing.

The bit about Putin being most likely to bomb Poland/a NATO target with a nuke? I'd like to imagine that's crazy. Article 5 would demand all of NATO wage war on Putin at that point and that's unimaginable that he'd choose to trigger Article 5.

[honorentheos]

And now come the purges -
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2 ... tors-video

[Kishkumen]

And now come the purges -
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2 ... tors-video

Thanks. I saw a shorter version of this. The longer one is even more terrifying.

[Jersey Girl]

And now come the purges -
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2 ... tors-video

Yes, I saw that last night on youtube. Where he speaks of 'cleansing'. Dear Lord.

[Jersey Girl]

This horrifies me but only because I don't know if it's normal in battle or not. I've never heard of it. Where is my Army guy Cam?

Russians Bring Mobile Cremation Machines Onto Battlefield In Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88c-khZN9p0

[Doctor Steuss]

This horrifies me but only because I don't know if it's normal in battle or not. I've never heard of it. Where is my Army guy Cam?

Russians Bring Mobile Cremation Machines Onto Battlefield In Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88c-khZN9p0

Based on comments from the Defense Sec of the Brits, it sounds like it isn't a normal thing:

"If I was a soldier and knew that my generals had so little faith in me that they followed me around the battlefield with a mobile crematorium, or I was the mother or father of a son, potentially deployed into a combat zone, and my government thought that the way to cover up loss was mobile crematorium, I'd be deeply, deeply worried." ~Ben Wallace

Here's a vid from the Telegraph that purports to be of one being demonstrated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVPTqHZqdz0