Vaccines and Therapeutics 2.0 & 3.0 Merge

[Jersey Girl]

Yeah and let's not forget that he's not a scientific researcher, that he had experts at his finger tips and dogged them in public, that he wanted to hit the virus with I dunno, light or some crap, that he refused to model mask wearing, that he didn't lift a finger until March when he knew about the virus in January, that he lied to the American public when he said it was like the flu and would just disappear "It'll be like magic" that over half a million new graves have been dug thanks to his brilliance, that he promised to send masks to all the students in American and didn't, that when he contracted the virus he received medical treatments that were unavailable to the average American, that he held super spreader events, that he had no plan in place for distribution of the vaccines, that the Biden administration managed to accomplish in a matter of weeks what he couldn't accomplish in the last two months of his administration because he was too obsessed about remaining in office by lying repeatedly about a stolen election to attend to the millions of Americans who voted for HIM, and that he's basically a big bag of crap in need of a blender sponge for his make up application.

Oh. And he's a criminal.

[Gunnar]

Former President Donald Trump issued a statement Wednesday on presidential letterhead: “Statement by Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America: I hope that everyone remembers when they’re getting the COVID-19 (often referred to as the China Virus) Vaccine, that if I wasn’t president, you wouldn’t be getting that beautiful ‘shot’ for 5 years, at best, and probably wouldn’t be getting it at all. I hope everyone remembers!”

Trump's lying never stops.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/Trump-put ... d-vaccine?

You know what? Trump might not have been completely wrong about that.

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[Moksha]

You know what? Trump might not have been completely wrong about that.

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So if there had been no atmosphere, air flight would never have been invented?

I think if Obama's pandemic response team had not been dismantled, a coordinated effort to develop a COVID-19 vaccine would have sprung into action. The Trumpian response of denying the seriousness of the pandemic was entirely dependent on the abnormal decision-making of Trump.

[Gunnar]

I think if Obama's pandemic response team had not been dismantled, a coordinated effort to develop a COVID-19 vaccine would have sprung into action. The Trumpian response of denying the seriousness of the pandemic was entirely dependent on the abnormal decision-making of Trump.

That may well be largely true, but consider this: why do we not have an effective vaccine for other corona viruses like SARS or MERS? Before those diseases more or less faded away before developing into full blown pandemics because of successful international protocols designed to prevent pandemics, like the PREDICT plan and teams initiated by Obama, though later dismantled by Trump, there were substantial research efforts to develop vaccines for them. When the immediate danger of these developing into full blown pandemics seemed to fade away, these research efforts apparently seemed a bit less important and slowed, though I do think (if I am not mistaken) that what they learned from those efforts probably helped accelerate development of the Covid-19 vaccines. I do think it would be a good idea to continue researching SARS and MERS vaccines though as well. I don't know that we can confidently say we are no longer in danger of SARS or MERS becoming full blown pandemics.

You may find the following of interest, as I do:

A Universal Design of Betacoronavirus Vaccines against COVID-19, MERS, and SARS

[MeDotOrg]

A cultural phenomenon that will be part of the history of the Pandemic:



There's sign in the background that says "I will not self-suffocate". Good point. How many Americans have died because they couldn't get their mask off in time?

This reminds me of book-burning. It's a celebration of ignorance.

[Jersey Girl]

A cultural phenomenon that will be part of the history of the Pandemic:



There's sign in the background that says "I will not self-suffocate". Good point. How many Americans have died because they couldn't get their mask off in time?

This reminds me of book-burning. It's a celebration of ignorance.

I posted a link about this very thing upthread. I had to remove the image you posted because I can't stand looking at it. Over the years (decades) I have had the opportunity and task of having thousands of conversations with parents during conferences and also on the spot when there was a crisis, some of which were very difficult to navigate though with practice and education I learned to do it successfully. In all cases I had to maintain professional bearing and ethics, and approach any conversation with respect and sensitivity. In my field we learn to identify any personal biases, put them aside, and not let them overshadow our relationship with parents so that we can fully address a parent or family concern as partners to the family. In all cases, partnership is the goal.

That said. I am fully human. Were a parent from that protest to approach me about it in conference or off the cuff conversation and had I seen the protest itself--the parent and child involved, this is what I would have had to get out of my head beforehand.

Are you damned crazy? Do you understand that your children are not here to mold into your "mini me" for the purpose of bolstering your own self image? You are teaching your child not to trust the medical community that provides her health care. You are teaching her to doubt the competency of every nurse and doctor that she sees when she is ill and not only that, you are exploiting your own child for political purposes because you are too damned lazy to get yourself off social media and actually do your due diligence to your own child by informing yourself (reading is hard, I know) before compromising her attitude towards medical care for the rest of her whole damn life. What you are doing is ultimately a form of child abuse and neglect. You just better hope to hell that she grows up to become someone who can think independently of you so that she can live healthy life relieve her of any confusion should YOU ever have to be treated with chemotherapy and watch YOU go about wearing a mask so you don't contract a virus that will KILL YOU before HER eyes. Think you're a big deal? Got your face in the news and all? Bragging to your friends about it? How about recognize the fact that you are responsible for raising a human being not playing with a toy you can manipulate to make yourself feel important, you stupid uninsightful poor excuse for a mother and THAT ignorance is what you put on display in the public square.

And then of course I would do my best to remain respectful of her position as parent and try to educate her in subtle ways in the hopes that she would "get it". But not before purging all of the above out of my head first.

[Jersey Girl]

Gunnar let us know how you get on with the second dose. We get ours next week on different days. Both Pfizer vax. Mine is on the 19th so close enough to the weekend to spend it flopped out in bed if need be. Then two weeks after that we will at least gain some partial freedom. Can't wait!

Two younger family members (local( have gotten the first dose of Moderna due to their professions. They only experienced a bit of fatigue and one had quite a large bruise at the injection site.

Another young family member back East (profession related again) had the second dose of Moderna and it totally floored them. Fever, chills, stomach cramps, headache, lots of fatigue. But it was only for probably just over one day. An older family member back East did the second dose at the same time with no side effects whatsoever! Sounds like the second dose is totally random with regard to side effects. Totally do-able when you consider the alternative.

Whatever it takes to make this virus go away. We press on!

[Jersey Girl]

Gunnar let us know how you get on with the second dose.

<-------me not nagging.

[Gunnar]

Gunnar let us know how you get on with the second dose.

<-------me not nagging.

Yeah, right!

Seriously, though, I got my second dose at around 2 pm yesterday (March 11) and this is the first time I've been on line since then. It is now about 11 hours since I got it, and so far, I am experiencing nothing worse than a mild twinge of discomfort at the injection site whenever I lift my arm. I got the Moderna vaccine. My wife got her 2nd dose about 2 weeks ago, and she said she experienced a very mild headache and a slight fever the following day, and is feeling fine now. I don't expect even that much to happen to me. I almost never get headaches no matter what ails me. About the only time I ever get headaches is when I get hit on the head by something or other. I'm looking forward to finding out if anything changes in the next day or so. Of the two daughters who still live with me, the older one got her first shot of Moderna vaccine about 2 weeks ago. She qualified because of being a part time childcare worker. My youngest daughter, who has Down's syndrome, which is one of the special needs that qualifies people for earlier eligibility, got her first vaccination 2 days ago of the Phizer vaccine. So by this time next month, all of my immediate family will have been fully vaccinated. I am grateful for that!

[Gunnar]

Update:

It has now been nearly 24 hours since my 2nd vaccine shot. My arm feels about the same as it did yesterday, and I experienced chills and probably fever while lying in bed during the night. I have not even the slightest trace of a headache (I would be surprised if I did, given my history of being practically immune to headaches), but when I checked my temperature a few minutes ago it was 100.7, so I do have a slight fever. It has been said that this a good sign that the vaccine is working, so I find this encouraging.