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[Res Ipsa]

Why don’t you guys just create a ‘bingbong bin’ where all his trash posts can be deposited? This way he isn’t censored, gets to spam out his trash, and you just move it to a stickied thread? He’s currently averaging 40’ish trash tier craps a day here, so just move them to a toilet bowl.

- Doc

Splitting posts is a little more work than moving, but people frequently continue to post in the split thread. Moving them all into a single bucket would make it difficult, if not impossible to follow the conversation. As for stickies, Shades received a nasty paper cut from a stickie early in his life and despises them to this day.

[Gadianton]

16 / 25 of the thread splits in Spirit Prison are Binger attacks / derails, and the last 7 in a row are all him. A couple of the others I believe are him also but got clipped at somebody else's name. Only a couple are A-Mikes. A-Mike should be banned for a couple of days, you know, just for the hell of it, but Binger needs to go permanently.

The last couple of nonsense threads Binger has started have zero replies. I commend everyone (except A-Mike) for not replying to those threads. I would like to ask that nobody (except A-Mike of course) respond anymore to threads Binger starts. Even if the topic seems legit. I think we're stuck to seeing responses to him within other threads, the main consolation while he isn't banned is watching Canpakes own the hell out of him, but lets keep up the good work and not respond to the new threads he creates.

[Marcus]

16 / 25 of the thread splits in Spirit Prison are Binger attacks / derails, and the last 7 in a row are all him. A couple of the others I believe are him also but got clipped at somebody else's name. Only a couple are A-Mikes. A-Mike should be banned for a couple of days, you know, just for the hell of it, but Binger needs to go permanently.

The last couple of nonsense threads Binger has started have zero replies. I commend everyone (except A-Mike) for not replying to those threads. I would like to ask that nobody (except A-Mike of course) respond anymore to threads Binger starts. Even if the topic seems legit. I think we're stuck to seeing responses to him within other threads, the main consolation while he isn't banned is watching Canpakes own the hell out of him, but lets keep up the good work and not respond to the new threads he creates.

Agreed. In the meantime, while we all try to ignore the problem, let's consider what is actually going on. I'm having a difficult time with the claim that the nonsense can't be dealt with, because it might upset the continuity of conversation.

No, it won't. When binger and/or AtlanticMike get involved, everything goes to hell in a handbasket; claiming that "continuity" prevents dealing with it will have to be supported much more rigorously as a concept for it to be accepted as an excuse. Since it can't, why not just move the trolling AND the responses. No one will mind. Not dealing with a troll because everyone else is frustrated and imperfect and various different ones respond to the troll on occasion is ridiculous.

Why do ALL OF US have to be COMPLETELY perfect before the mods will fix the problem? That is an unreasonable request.

[Gadianton]

I'm having a difficult time with the claim that the nonsense can't be dealt with, because it might upset the continuity of conversation.

I haven't followed everything on this, but as a mod it's easy enough just to delete the post. No worries about moving it or editing it. If somebody had quoted this individual, well, people shouldn't be quoting him in the first place so who cares.

[Res Ipsa]

16 / 25 of the thread splits in Spirit Prison are Binger attacks / derails, and the last 7 in a row are all him. A couple of the others I believe are him also but got clipped at somebody else's name. Only a couple are A-Mikes. A-Mike should be banned for a couple of days, you know, just for the hell of it, but Binger needs to go permanently.

The last couple of nonsense threads Binger has started have zero replies. I commend everyone (except A-Mike) for not replying to those threads. I would like to ask that nobody (except A-Mike of course) respond anymore to threads Binger starts. Even if the topic seems legit. I think we're stuck to seeing responses to him within other threads, the main consolation while he isn't banned is watching Canpakes own the hell out of him, but lets keep up the good work and not respond to the new threads he creates.

Thanks Gad. The numerical data is helpful. There is still a backlog of reports to be cleared, so you might want to wait for final totals. I’d extend your advice about threads to posts.

[Binger]

16 / 25 of the thread splits in Spirit Prison are Binger attacks / derails, and the last 7 in a row are all him. A couple of the others I believe are him also but got clipped at somebody else's name. Only a couple are A-Mikes. A-Mike should be banned for a couple of days, you know, just for the hell of it, but Binger needs to go permanently.

The last couple of nonsense threads Binger has started have zero replies. I commend everyone (except A-Mike) for not replying to those threads. I would like to ask that nobody (except A-Mike of course) respond anymore to threads Binger starts. Even if the topic seems legit. I think we're stuck to seeing responses to him within other threads, the main consolation while he isn't banned is watching Canpakes own the hell out of him, but lets keep up the good work and not respond to the new threads he creates.

What are the other thread splits? 9/25 thread splits are what? And, did you make an adjustment in your analysis for a thread that I started, as instructed, and called it "Spilt Form," which was later modified for clarity by the moderators. If so, maybe it is 16/25, or maybe 15/25. So, that leaves 9 or 10 threads that were not caused to be split by me. Also, did you consider the profanity that was moved to Outer Darkness and Telestial? Or, was your analysis, as expected, merely an extension of a bias?

In any, or all, of the 16 that you observed, was there a precedent or something leading to the so-called attack? For example, if you said, all Mommas with sons that have long-hair are crack whores. And I responded to that with something about your pathological bigotry and disdain for people that you are too good to meet, would you consider my response an attack, or a defense?

I think that is enough for now. If you have a minute to revisit your original research and quantify it in a way that is verifiable and replicable, that would be interesting and great. Hurry though, might be getting banned for not voting for Hillary 5 years ago. Ciao boy.

[Res Ipsa]

I'm having a difficult time with the claim that the nonsense can't be dealt with, because it might upset the continuity of conversation.

I haven't followed everything on this, but as a mod it's easy enough just to delete the post. No worries about moving it or editing it. If somebody had quoted this individual, well, people shouldn't be quoting him in the first place so who cares.

Dean Robbers, it’s not a matter of what’s easy. Banning a poster is easy peasey. I think it’s two or three clicks. More if you add an explanation. But the mods have instructions from Shades about how to moderate posts — deleting them is not an option. We don’t even delete the posts of commercial spammers; we move them to Outer Darkness.

[Gadianton]

Thanks Gad. The numerical data is helpful. There is still a backlog of reports to be cleared, so you might want to wait for final totals. I’d extend your advice about threads to posts.

Right, and the person of issue is happy to create hours and hours of reviewing work for you to do for his own entertainment, and Shades' rules make a problem impossible to solve until it personally bothers him.

I realize that you are doing what you can within the bounds of the law and this is just the way it is. I am just voicing my opinions as a member of our community here, even though I know my recommendations aren't possible to accommodate.

I was good with a few months of giving chances and let's see how it goes, but it's time to just fix the problem. Hopefully Shades will come around to this as he sees that the three of you have spent inordinate amounts of time and obviously nothing is going to work.

[Jersey Girl]

Thanks Gad. The numerical data is helpful. There is still a backlog of reports to be cleared, so you might want to wait for final totals. I’d extend your advice about threads to posts.

Right, and the person of issue is happy to create hours and hours of reviewing work for you to do for his own entertainment, and Shades' rules make a problem impossible to solve until it personally bothers him.

Just as a matter of historical testimony, I've seen Shades rip posts right off the board and then ban the poster who made them...in real time. And then do it all over again when they showed up with a new moniker doing the same thing then finally banning the IP address. Again, in real time.

[Binger]

Thanks Gad. The numerical data is helpful. There is still a backlog of reports to be cleared, so you might want to wait for final totals. I’d extend your advice about threads to posts.

Right, and the person of issue is happy to create hours and hours of reviewing work for you to do for his own entertainment, and Shades' rules make a problem impossible to solve until it personally bothers him.

I realize that you are doing what you can within the bounds of the law and this is just the way it is. I am just voicing my opinions as a member of our community here, even though I know my recommendations aren't possible to accommodate.

I was good with a few months of giving chances and let's see how it goes, but it's time to just fix the problem. Hopefully Shades will come around to this as he sees that the three of you have spent inordinate amounts of time and obviously nothing is going to work.

There are many good options that would work very well.

And frankly, nobody disagrees more with Shades than me about what is the core problem here, obviously. Though, that does not mean that he is perfectly right and that I am perfectly wrong, it means there are differences. I noticed that one of they key questions that I asked the moderators on this topic got moved away despite it being a plain and simple question.

There is clearly a core group that wants a few people banned. And clearly, there are reasons that they feel this. And yet, when it comes to actually dealing with the conditions under which one posts on the board, there is nothing but screaming, "WE SHALL NEVER SURRENDER." This is followed by more of the same cycles.

I will say it again, I will say it over, and over, and over. Taking a passive or submissive position regarding the insults, including generalizations and bigoted insults about large groups, is not happening with me. I have tried that and other approaches, and they do not work here. So, if you fire your guns, I will fire mine. (that is a metaphor) Panache and clever trolling insults work for most the posters here, and a not subtle rejection of those insults works for me.

Another issue is that Gad's Cabal has convinced themselves that two people are only trolling and that they are the only trolls. Neither one of those assumptions is true. And THAT is what is crippling change which they hope will result from yet another rule/moderation adaptation. It was never true, and it is still not true. Gadianton is trying to convince everyone that these two things are true, and they are not. If ever he and others can come to terms with the fact that there are not just two trolls and that those two people do not just troll, he may see a different option and solution.

I am not shy about my views on this, and I will be less shy about it going forward now that Gadianton and Doc played their hands. panny is trolling the everloving crap out of the board and doing so as a moderator. That is FINE! He can do that. That is Shades' choice to have a troll on the moderating team and to let him troll the hell out of the joint. There is nothing wrong with that, at all. Shades can have it and panny can do it. But, to pretend that this is not happening - that is not my effing problem. Hell, even panny is not shy about admitting that he is trolling. He makes no bones about it, and neither have Cammy and Gaddy in this thread.

This proxy complaining about the moderators time spent moderating, when one of the moderators is incessantly in the mix of the mixups, is absolutely hysterical. I mean LOL LOL LOL funny AF. "Oh, look at my sympathy for the people I like and look how I feel and feel how I look and ignore the facts but know my feelings..... woooooo..... booooo.... hoooooo." Mmmmhmmm. Yeah. Rekt, get it?

So get on with it. Pretend things are different than they are, and make a move. Or deal with the facts, and make a move. Who cares?