I'm A Drug Pusher!

[_skippy the dead]

I don't know, where does it leave you?

Hopefully it leaves me in good cardiac health!

The reply was intended in good fun. Just trying to lighten my touch here a bit today.

[_Moniker]

So, can we all agree that we want our kids to take drugs, too?

Why or why not?

I'd prefer it if my kids stayed away from certain drugs that are addictive. Of course! What parents WANTS their kids to do drugs?

I KNEW you'd come into this thread and scold me. Here's the thing -- I stay away from certain drugs because I don't want to be *gone* too long -- it's not not what I want to do as a mother. I choose not to drink because I'm tipsy in a second and can't get up if a child needed me.

Yet, NOW that my kids are gone to their fathers often I have a lot more time for me and if I wanted to do an ADULT thing I can. It's sort of nice to remember that I'm still here and not only a Mom, but, a person too.

[_Moniker]

I don't know, where does it leave you?

Hopefully it leaves me in good cardiac health!

The reply was intended in good fun. Just trying to lighten my touch here a bit today.

Ah, sorry! Didn't feel the light touch... it's probably so much of the hostility on the board... I can't tell anymore who is grumpy or NOT! It's rather stressful, actually!!! :)

I hope it leave you in good health, as well.

[_skippy the dead]

It's sort of nice to remember that I'm still here and not only a Mom, but, a person too.

I'm in complete agreement with you on this one!

[_Tarski]

Oh, Bryan! Thanks for sharing your story. Oh, I sooo want to try this. I think I need to find someone that can sit with me and we can take turns... No kids at home though.

I wonder since it's not illegal and it only lasts for a short period of time -- would that make me a bad mom? I don't even drink anymore... I just would really like to try this.

I just remembered another thing about my one and only experience with this stuff...

You have to do it by yourself. If you are in a room with other people, I guess it gets confusing and you don't really go into the dreamy state. It was weird, I remember all my buddies huddled around me, watching me take a bong load of this stuff (you have to take giant rips of it) and then quietly walking out of my room and closing the door. Don't ask me why, but do let us know how it goes...

I'd recommend Ketamine if you want to try something cool that won't hurt you... ;)

Well, the wrong dose could be fatal.
And,...

Vutskits et al from Geneva showed that short-term exposure of cultures to ketamine at concentrations of > or =20 microg/ml leads to a significant cell loss of differentiated cells and that non-cell death-inducing concentrations of ketamine (10 microg/ml) can still initiate long-term alterations of dendritic arbor in differentiated neurons, including dendritic retraction and branching point elimination. They also demonstrated that chronic (>24 h) administration of ketamine at concentrations as low as 0.01 microg/ml can interfere with the maintenance of dendritic arbor architecture. These results raise the possibility that chronic exposure to low, subanesthetic concentrations of ketamine, while not affecting cell survival, could still impair neuronal morphology and thus might lead to dysfunctions of neural networks

[_Moniker]

Oh! Wait, that was about ketamine... helps to read other than just the bolded parts... never mind. So, I'm good with the salvia, I suppose.

[_Tarski]

Well, you had to rain on my parade, didn't ya?

Both my kids tried salvia. They said it doesn't work well the second or third time. They also said that it wasn't comfortable and that once they had time to think about it, they realized it wasn't really that cool in the first place.

[_Moniker]

Well, I thought it could create mystical experiences?

It seems as if it's not harmful and isn't long lasting it wouldn't be so horrid to try it. I would have to weigh the risks, obviously. I'm being silly in this thread but before I put ANY drug in my body I'd seriously want to make sure of the short and long term effects.


~~Edited to add~~

Maybe it's more fun thinking about doing drugs then actually doing them anymore.... gawd, I hate being old...

[_beastie]

I think that its effect is highly variable. Some people experience mystical events, like my friend did with two of his tries. The first wasn't mystical, just odd. But he didn't control the environment carefully, either. He said that what he believes made the second two experiences mystical was the music he chose. The music was a crucial part of the entire visionary experience - almost controlling it, guiding it.

I read quite a bit about it after he tried it and couldn't find anything that indicated it was dangerous, but I'd do more reading, too. One of the most interesting things I read about it was that it may be one of the drugs that maya shaman used to trigger their mystical trances.

In the past, in my wilder youth, I did experience some nearly mystical events from marijuana. But even as a youth I was more skittish about hallucinogens. It unnerves me to feel like I've totally lost touch with reality. The only time I touched serious hallucinogens was at 16, splitting a very small dose of LDS with a girlfriend and then going to a concert. Not much happened, other than I seemed to "smell" colors.

[_Tarski]

Well, I thought it could create mystical experiences?

It seems as if it's not harmful and isn't long lasting it wouldn't be so horrid to try it. I would have to weigh the risks, obviously. I'm being silly in this thread but before I put ANYTHING in my body I'd seriously want to make sure of the short and long term effects.

LOL
Well, if you want to be sure of the long term effect, you will have to wait until about 10 years after they finally decide to start studying it seriously-if they ever do.
The fact that it causes hallucinations and confusion is a hint about how it might turn out. Something is happening directly to the brain to make it malfunction.
You brain is an organ. If I did something directly to your legs that made you unable to walk for a while its a good guess it wouldn't be good for your legs and might leave bruises.

On the other hand, people do seem to recover after its over. So I don't know.