Be careful what you wish for.

[canpakes]

When you make a positive claim (particularly as serious as the one you have leveled here regarding one of our posters) the burden of proof lies upon you to provide evidence for that claim. Please show evidence of Doc Cam "threaten(ing) to dox someone".

Quote it. Link it.

Post it right here on this very thread.

That won’t happen, because it didn’t happen. : D

I hope you’re not holding your breath!

Hope he doesn't think I'll drop it.

Wrong. You know that is wrong.

Seems like all we need is some clarifications and we can get on with this moderation change, or not.

Cultellus has already demonstrated that he doesn’t understand what Rule 10 is all about*, and now demonstrates that he is unaware of what doxxing refers to.

For someone wanting to regulate everyone else’s behavior, you’d think that he’d take the time to figure out the basics behind the board rules, first.

The troll certainly doth protest too much.



* viewtopic.php?p=34316#p34316

[honorentheos]

We went through this before when faqs spammed the board. The forum discussion was negatively impacted and this was widely recognized. It led to the creation of the Spirit Prison forum, and it worked.

Given that precedent, it seems like the only issues are around the ability of Shades to moderate on his own versus needing help.

[honorentheos]

We went through this before when faqs spammed the board. The forum discussion was negatively impacted and this was widely recognized. It led to the creation of the Spirit Prison forum, and it worked.

Given that precedent, it seems like the only issues are around the ability of Shades to moderate on his own versus needing help.

Moderating what?

Let me guess. You want some people moderated but you are too much of a coward to take a stand on the racism, 4Chan, homosexism, homo erotica, personal insults, trolling and overall heinous behavior, including threats or suggestions of doxing, as long as Doc Cam does it and nobody else, except for Some Schmo, Jersey Girl, Res Ipsa, Lem, etc. Oh and Philo can shut down free speech but not Ajax, right?

Was that a good guess?

Sure.

What should happen is posts that fit the criteria for Spirit Prison should be moved to Spirit Prison. Too easy. Who wrote them isn't relevant.

[Lem]

BS, Res. BS.

Shades. Do not change the moderation or the rules. Leave them. This is horse crap.

So it goes to hell when Res does not get his way, and he wants to get his way in all Paradise conversations? Is that it?

The lady doth protest wayyyyyyyyy too much. Shades, this is the mindset of a person whose goal is to disrupt and shut down speech. See how frantic he gets at the simple notion that I could post something in a thread that he can’t derail by trolling or personal attacking me? Of course, he would have exactly the same rights as me in the hypothetical Paradiso. But he’s not interested in constructive discussion. He wants to disrupt and prevent substantive discussion.

If folks can’t have a substantive discussion without having to wade through piles of troll derails and personal attacks, then I’ll confine my participation to the Mormon side of the board. I’ve wasted enough of my life jousting with trolls.

So says the guy that claims the "lady" doth protest too much? So says the guy that decides what is free speech and what is trolling? So says the guy who declares what is disruptive and what is substantive? And so says the guy who can't seem to object to personal attacks when Doc Cam is doing it, who can't seem to consider Doc Cam's erotica as a troll or disruption, who is fine having Doc Cam's 4Chan images plastered all over the boards and who is perfectly okay with Doc Cam using racist and homosexist epithets. Sure, this guy is now going to lecture us on trolling?

Go ahead Res. Head on up there to the Terrestrial world and help Philo monetize his podcasts or whatever he does while shouting down at free speech. You do that, Res. Have a great time up there, do not let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

I voted. I say leave the moderating the way it is if, in fact, the alternative is to allow some people to troll and others not and where only some personal attacks are subject to moderation.

I have also been very clear that I will do anything that the moderators and owners of this board or forum ask me to do. All my posts can be moderated, deleted or moved. My account is subject to moderation. And if Doc Cam makes another suggestion that he is hacking or doxing I will raise hell again. If he actually hacks or doxes, I will sue the owners of this board.

Counselor, you have a problem with any of that?

Without moderation, what do we do when rules are violated? I could report the above for violation of Rule 8, but reports don't seem to be addressed any more.

UNIVERSAL RULES:
....
8.Do not make threats or take actions to disrupt the smooth operation of this message board, either through hacking, spamming, frivolous complaints, lawsuits against the board or its moderators, or any other means. Please do not do this via e-mail or private message, either.

Also, it seems that some here aren't aware of the distinction between Spirit Paradise and Spirit Prison, so I was appreciative of RI's recent explanation that people can say anything they want to, just not anyWHERE. For example, under Rule 2 for Terrestrial and Paradise:

2.No blatant or otherwise obvious personal attacks allowed

it would seem that these posts below belong in spirit prison:

The troll certainly doth protest too much.

You do know that pissboy is a metaphor, right? But you are a real pissboy.

I only say "seem" because that decision belongs to an official mod. And I only say "both" because of the Jubilee rule by Shades that calling someone a troll is considered "a personal attack.". If calling someone a troll is a personal attack then it would stretch incredulity beyond its snapping point if "pissboy" is not a personal attack also.

If folks can’t have a substantive discussion without having to wade through piles of troll derails and personal attacks, then I’ll confine my participation to [elsewhere.]

This pretty much sums up the end result of people's research on trolls. The main damage done is by silencing longstanding community voices. The only viable solution seems to be to have moderation that can look at the big picture and recognize intent to disrupt as the main goal of a troll. Easier said than done, as the whole online world seems to know.

[Lem]

We went through this before when faqs spammed the board. The forum discussion was negatively impacted and this was widely recognized. It led to the creation of the Spirit Prison forum, and it worked.

Given that precedent, it seems like the only issues are around the ability of Shades to moderate on his own versus needing help.

Moderating what?

Let me guess. You want some people moderated but you are too much of a coward to take a stand on the racism, 4Chan, homosexism, homo erotica, personal insults, trolling and overall heinous behavior, including threats or suggestions of doxing, as long as Doc Cam does it and nobody else, except for Some Schmo, Jersey Girl, Res Ipsa, Lem, etc. Oh and Philo can shut down free speech but not Ajax, right?

Was that a good guess?

Sure.

What should happen is posts that fit the criteria for Spirit Prison should be moved to Spirit Prison. Too easy. Who wrote them isn't relevant.

Okay. On the surface that seems okay. But with an applied and accepted double-standard, that does not seem okay. You seem to want the double standard because that is the way it has always been so that is the way it will be.

Absolutely incorrect. That is not the way it has always been. No poster here I know wants a double standard, so if you can find a comment where someone says they do, please post it here.

[ajax18]

The lady doth protest wayyyyyyyyy too much. Shades, this is the mindset of a person whose goal is to disrupt and shut down speech.

Do you really want free speech or just free speech that you agree with? You seem to be totally on board with Facebook and Twitter banning anyone who posted evidence of corona virus being leaked from a Wuhan research lab regardless of whether it was true or not on the grounds that this is somehow racist or somehow dangerous to public health. Is that the kind of moderating you want to implement around here?

Or perhaps just try to insult, shame, or play the race card against anyone who posts information you don't like or would rather not hear? Because that's kind of what's happening on Facebook and Twitter now. It's what Schmo, DocCam, and Icarus try to do here.

[Cultellus]

Be careful what you wish for.

[canpakes]

… It would seem that these posts below belong in spirit prison:
<snip>

I’m OK with having that comment moved to Spirit Prison. Regardless, I chose that word to be faithful to how Cultellus describes himself in his own thread, ‘Cultellus is Trolling You, by Cultellus’.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1091

Accuracy is important.

: D

Speaking of, has Cultellus provided any evidence of anyone ‘doxxing’ him, yet? I can’t imagine what would be preventing him from being able to do so.

[canpakes]

You seem to be totally on board with Facebook and Twitter banning anyone who posted material that violated their terms of service.

Fixed that for you.

[canpakes]

Speaking of, has Cultellus provided any evidence of anyone ‘doxxing’ him, yet? I can’t imagine what would be preventing him from being able to do so.

Wait. I’m not sure why I would ask this, as Cultellus will never be able to substantiate his bogus claim.

Bookmark that.

: D