Executive Order to end Birthright Citizenship

[_Chap]

... Illegal immigrants are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. Otherwise, they could never be prosecuted for federal crimes. If what Sub said were true, ICE could never arrest a person present in the U.S. illegally because they wouldn't have the jurisdiction to do so. Likewise, courts would dismiss any action to remove people here illegally because they wouldn't have any jurisdiction over them.

Er yes. Makes obvious sense, does it not?

There is clear history on who is not subject to U.S. jurisdiction: foreign ambassadors. The 14th amendment's grant of citizenship does not apply to them.

Yup. There appears to be relevant jurisprudence.

Third, Sub's entire argument is based on the claim that Congress can take away a right specifically granted by the Constitution. That, again, is 100% backwards. The Constitution expressly extends citizenship to all persons born here. Congress can't change that by passing a law -- any law.

Well, yes. The point of having a Constitution is, amongst other things, to limit what kinds of laws can be passed. Or am I wrong there?

Now, the proposition is that Conservative Justices are going to literally change the wording of the Constitution from "All persons born" to "All persons except those born to parents not legally present in the United States..." If that actually happens, we might as well stop pretending the Constitution means anything.

More or less, yes. Of course, it may come to that.

[_schreech]

Thanks RI for the incredibly informative post.

[_subgenius]

Please demonstrate an example of Obama initiating executive orders that flatly overturn stated amendments of the Constitution.

Good law your post is ignorant. Literally gave you facts of how "interpretation" is used seemingly overturn an amendment. The whole point here is that your ignirant posts have yet to establish that anything is being flatly overturned....except inasmuch as you interpret it (oh the irony).
Now go help schreech, his wrist is tired.

[Guest]

Because Congress passed a statute that recognizes birthright citizenship.

Yet Supreme Court and people that actual understand the issue, disagree with you, its not extended to "any and every person", ergo the whole....nevermind
But as with most things, im excited to watch you proven wrong, again.

[_subgenius]

[_Res Ipsa]

Because Congress passed a statute that recognizes birthright citizenship.

Yet Supreme Court and people that actual understand the issue, disagree with you, its not extended to "any and every person", ergo the whole....nevermind
But as with most things, im excited to watch you proven wrong, again.

Please cite the Supreme Court case that disagrees with what I said.

[_canpakes]

Looks like you just hit that part of the thread where RI spanks you hard.

[_schreech]

Good god, Ill bet you have been saving that one up for a while - how many masturbation gifs did you have to wade through to find that one? lol. It really doesn't surprise me how much time you devote to getting humiliated and fantasizing about me masturbating, you untalented shut-ins have some freaky fetishes and time to kill apparently. But hey you do you:



...but who am I to judge?

[_Water Dog]

So, if I've got it right, when this executive order turns out to be a real thing, and sometime after the midterms, every naysayer argument on this thread will look pretty silly.

[_EAllusion]

So, if I've got it right, when this executive order turns out to be a real thing, and sometime after the midterms, every naysayer argument on this thread will look pretty silly.

The President can issue illegal orders all he wants. To make it more than that would require a level of brokenness in the courts that probably does not exist yet. And if it does, that's a negative sign for all sorts of things that extend beyond this issue. This is not a case of esoteric Constitutional interpretation.