About those COVID Tests

[_Res Ipsa]

How about transferring some of those funds designated for wall street bailouts over to funding testing? It seems that testing should be an integral part of opening up the economy again, one would think.

One would think. If one were thinking.

[_MeDotOrg]

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[_subgenius]

cool medical degree bruh, got any other fascist policies you want to sneak in the back door?

My degrees are in cell biology and psychology, but that is what the people with the relevant expertise believe to be the case.

But first, since you often use your own dictionary, what evidence of "mass death flare-ups" do you have for covid19?

Lol. COVID, even when you don't take into account untested probable COVID deaths or deaths caused by strained medical resources from COVID response, currently is the number #1 cause of death in the United States. Seems like we can call that a flare up. I remember a time when COVID wasn't the number 1 killer of Americans and 1000+ people weren't dying every day as a result of it.

like how you "heard" them talk in the quad after 9/11?

By "some people" I was referring to conservative commentary that is hammering the theme of "re-opening the economy" by relaxing mitigation efforts under the assumption that these moves will reignite economic activity sufficient to stave off a severe economic contraction. This, too, contradicts what people with relevant expertise to believe to be the case. It seems to be based in twin naïve beliefs about how both projected deaths/hospitalizations and protective behavior affect aggregate economic activity. It's not an either or choice between economic contraction and ongoing pandemic with hundreds of thousands of deaths. It's economic contraction and pandemic or just economic contraction.

huh? (notwithstanding that HD is still open)If stay-at-home orders (etc.) are relaxed, you will not see an aggregate return to normal consumer behavior. Some consumers will return as normal, but there will be enough who will self-impose mitigating behavior that you'll still see a significant decline in demand. Because there are many businesses who cannot operate in a demand collapse, you don't get your economic rescue by merely rescinding government mandated mitigation efforts. But, hey, you do get enough increase in interaction to spread coronavirus, so it's the worst of both worlds.

Everyone running out to home depot is a metaphor for the idea of a resumption of normal consumer activity.

again, HD is currently open...and Lowe's...and your inflammatory hyperbole in using "plague" is why you are losing credibility on the subject. Your TDS is tedious and leaning into being insanity.

People are under intense pressure not to go out shopping or interact closely with people you goof. While you might be taking your daily constitutional at Home Depot, varying degrees of stay-at-home orders are reducing patronage of open businesses in general. And in hotspots, that fact isn't enough to prevent flare ups of infections at public-facing businesses. In this environment, rescinding stay-at-home orders isn't going to spike demand to normal levels. Movie theaters aren't going to go to being packed so long as some people, unlike yourself, understand the science well enough to know to stay the heck away from movie theaters.

and bring it back to your overt fascist ideology - well done. How come we do not do this with the countless other viruses that are either consistently present and killing people or intermittently killing people? When was your last ebola check?

It's legitimately amazing you have managed to go with "it's just the flu, bro" through this entire thing. Ebola spreads more slowly, in part thanks to its tendency to kill people fast, and has been successfully localized thus far.

a lot of gibberish for you to pretend "mass death flare-ups".
Take for example your notion of "untested". In reality, a.k.a. everywhere outside of your "figuring it must be so", we recognize that the death rate for covid19 would actually drop with an increase in testing among mild and asymptomatic cases. And we also see deaths being attributed to covid19 based solely on the deceased having the virus at time of death, regardless of other more likely causes...an attributed cause with a political and funding motivation...see Governor Cuomo for more information.

But you do you ya fascist wannabe.

[_subgenius]

[_EAllusion]

All-cause deaths have skyrocketed at the exact same time thousand upon thousands of people are dying from COVID. So much so, that there's a large number of year-over-year increased deaths not counted in official COVID tallies. The scale of increased mortality is depressing. It's probably due to an increase in shark attacks.

[_Icarus]

a lot of gibberish for you to pretend "mass death flare-ups".

Go ahead and list all the times 35,000 Americans died of one disease/virus/illness within a 30 day period. Or by any other cause for that matter.

Take for example your notion of "untested". In reality, a.k.a. everywhere outside of your "figuring it must be so", we recognize that the death rate for covid19 would actually drop with an increase in testing among mild and asymptomatic cases.

Well no kidding the mortality rate would drop, but that doesn't really change the fact that people are dying by the thousands daily and in all likelihood there are thousands more unaccounted for. Why? Because they couldn't get tested. Why? Because our moron President decided to pull funding for the one thing we need most right now, testing.

The fact that the mortality rate is likely under 1% this means there are roughly 2 million+ Americans who have the virus but don't even know it.

And we also see deaths being attributed to covid19 based solely on the deceased having the virus at time of death, regardless of other more likely causes.

That is a flat out lie which you pulled from FOX & friends. The CDC guidelines say doctors should count cases only if there is a "reasonable degree of certainty."

In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot
be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances
are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it
is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as
“probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should
use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19
infection was likely. However, please note that testing for
COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible.

It doesn't say anyone who dies from a car accident while having COVID-19 must count toward the overall COVID-19 death toll. This is clearly the narrative the idiots at FOX want to push but it isn't grounded in reality.

Maybe you should pay attention to what the experts actually say. Here, I'll make it easy for you by providing you FOX News as the venue: https://Twitter.com/JessicaHuseman/stat ... 63745?s=20

INGRAHAM: We don't have a vaccine for SARS or HIV. Life went on, right?

FAUCI: HIV/AIDS is very different. We have effective treatments. And SARS went away. So your comparison is misleading.

INGRAHAM: But coronavirus could disappear too.

FAUCI: These kind of viruses don't just disappear.

Fauci went on to explain to the ditsy blonde, "the degree of efficiency of transmissibility of this is really unprecedented from anything I've seen. Its an extraordinarily efficient virus in transmitting from one person to another. Those kinds of viruses don't just disappear."

With respect to fudging numbers for political reasons, we know this is why Trump doesn't want to ramp up testing. More tests means more cases and more deaths. Something he's been trying to gaslight away from the beginning.

[_moksha]

Billions Of Viruses Gathered Outside Michigan State Capitol Call For End To Social Distancing Measures

https://www.theonion.com/billions-of-vi ... 1842925435

MIT’s A.I. predicts catastrophe if social distancing restrictions relax too soon

https://thenextweb.com/neural/2020/04/1 ... -too-soon/

Smithfield Foods Becomes Largest Coronavirus Hotbed In the United States, South Dakota Governor Yet To Mandate Stay Home Order

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandras ... 3385252143

[_subgenius]

a lot of gibberish for you to pretend "mass death flare-ups".

Go ahead and list all the times 35,000 Americans died of one disease/virus/illness within a 30 day period. Or by any other cause for that matter.

But your assertion for 35k is the question here, you can't use that to proclaim you are correct about that.
(note that a week ago ABC news reported that US deaths from covid19 hit 20k, and now you are asserting that an additional 15k have died in the past 6 days...kewl).

But for a slow start so as to not overwhelm your TDS hair-fire, consider that over 2k people in the US die every day from heart disease...which is 60k in a 30 day period.
But why letty petty facts and pesky realities get in your way.

[_Icarus]

Heart disease is a generic term to describe an umbrella of conditions. There are more than a dozen types of heart disease.

Now you asserted a very debunkable and idiotic talking point from Laura Ingraham/Tucker Carlson, and you're dodging of the refutation can be taken as a concession that you're just passing along their dumb information without doing the necessary research.

[_EAllusion]

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(note that a week ago ABC news reported that US deaths from covid19 hit 20k, and now you are asserting that an additional 15k have died in the past 6 days...kewl).[/quote]

[i]Wait, viral infections can spread exponentially? You're saying viruses can go viral? I don't believe your witchcraft lies, science. [/i]