School Shooting in Uvalde Texas

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Gadianton wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 4:08 pm
[...] arming and training teachers with guns [...]
On average, just shy of 500 people die of accidental shootings each year in the US. Generally, as gun sales spike, so do accidental shooting deaths by minors.

If I had to choose between the two, I’d rather take the odds of a gunman entering my child’s school over intentionally introducing a loaded weapon into his classroom.

The second a gun enters the classroom, regardless of who is carrying it, the chances of an accidental shooting ceases to be zero.

As a personal anecdote -- as the below link catalogues several instances of teachers and resource officers unintentionally leaving their weapons in bathrooms -- several years ago I found a loaded handgun in a bathroom stall at my work. It belonged to a NG Reservist who is a CCW instructor. Even responsible gun owners can make mistakes.

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3 high school graduations across the U.S. end with gunfire in less than 24 hours:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/3- ... -rcna29770

At least one person was killed and seven others injured in three separate shootings after high school graduation ceremonies in Louisiana, Michigan, and Tennessee.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
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So, what’s the solution?
Obviously we need to keep asking open-ended questions. #thoughtsandprayers 🙏

500 school shootings since 2008

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So. Yeah. wHaT’s tHe SoLuTiOn?!? :roll:

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 8:19 pm
Dr. Shades wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 9:16 am
So, what’s the solution?
Obviously we need to keep asking open-ended questions. #thoughtsandprayers 🙏

500 school shootings since 2008

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Steuss wrote:If I had to choose between the two, I’d rather take the odds of a gunman entering my child’s school over intentionally introducing a loaded weapon into his classroom.
There's all of that and the foregoing, and then add to it the risk of one of those bad kids stripping the gun from the teacher and using it. Several years ago, I was pulling into the last stretch of my commute home, and a line of FBI cars sped around me and cut me off. And then, I don't know if was the same line having circled through the streets, or a different line, I got passed again a couple more times. When I pulled up the news at home, it turns out this guy attempted to rob my local bank. A cop confronted him, the cop was new and the guy pulled the cops gun from his belt and shot him dead.

My bet is it would only increase the number of intentional school shootings if every teacher had a gun in reach. Grandparents patrolling the halls with their guns would be another easy target for older kids on a mission.
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These students called 911. 911 was already there.

WAITING.
Trapped alongside gunman, student called 911 to ‘please send police’

UVALDE, Tex. — As police officers stood outside a locked fourth-grade classroom, a student trapped inside with the man shooting at her classmates dialed 911.

She was in Room 112, she whispered to the dispatcher. Seven minutes later, she called again. There were multiple students dead, she said. The child hung up and called several more times, her words growing increasingly desperate and grim.

“Please send police now,” she said in one of the final 911 recordings investigators disclosed Friday — over 40 minutes after her initial call.

The harrowing calls from Uvalde, Tex., came to light as Texas Department of Public Safety officials acknowledged grave missteps in the police response to the worst mass shooting at an American school in nearly a decade. While two students were inside, calling 911, an on-scene commander made the decision not to rush in after determining that the scene had shifted from an active shooting to a barricaded gunman ordeal, DPS Director Steven C. McCraw said at a news conference.

At one point, he said, there were as many as 19 officers in a hallway outside the classroom. They waited for a key from the janitor to get inside, he said. Protocols developed after the 1999 Columbine massacre call for officers responding to a shooter at a school to immediately target the subject, even if it means putting themselves in harm’s way.

“With the benefit of hindsight, of course, it was not the right decision,” McCraw said. “It was the wrong decision, period.”

The decision in part explains the lengthy gap in time between when gunman Salvador Ramos, 18, first entered Robb Elementary School at 11:33 a.m. and when he was shot, at about 12:50 p.m. — a period of time that has sparked outrage across the nation, and especially in the small, rural Texas town where parents clamored outside for police to go in and save their children.

“The time they took to take action is unacceptable,” said Agustina Cazares, whose grandson and great-granddaughter, both 8 years old, attend the school and survived. “It was only thanks to God that my family was saved.”

The 911 calls disclosed Friday shed light on the agonizing wait for help inside two adjoining classrooms during that time: Rooms 111 and 112. McCraw said two students made calls from those rooms during the shooting.

“I’ll warn you,” he said, shuffling through his papers at a podium fixed with a bevy of microphones, “it’s better that I read it than you listen to it.”

The first call came in at 12:03 p.m. Tuesday, roughly a half-hour after the shooting began, McCraw said. A female student identified herself and told the dispatcher what room she was in. She called back several times again over the next 13 minutes, offering officials information clearly indicating that there were multiple people dead.

“At 12:16, she called back and said there was eight to nine students alive,” he said.

A second call placed by a student in an adjoining classroom came in at 12:19 p.m. By that time, according to the timeline authorities offered Friday, a specialized Border Patrol tactical unit had already arrived at the school.

“She hung up when another student told her to hang up,” McCraw told reporters.

Another call came in three minutes later. On this one, he said, the sound of three gunshots can be heard.
By 12:36 p.m., the initial caller dialed 911 again. The student was told to “stay on the line and to be very quiet,” the DPS director said. The student reportedly told the dispatcher that “he shot the door,” and hung up after 21 seconds.

Minutes later, the child called to plead: “Please send the police now.”

McCraw paused.

The next calls coincide with when authorities say officers entered the classroom — more than an hour after Ramos’s arrival on campus — and shot him.

“At 12:51, it’s very loud and it sounds like officers are moving children out of the room,” he said. “By that time, the first child was out before the call cuts off.”

Both the students who called for help survived, McCraw said.

At least one of the 911 calls made by the children is believed to have been from 11-year-old Miah Cerrillo, who survived the shooting after witnessing her teacher, Eva Mireles, being shot to death. Her father, Miguel Cerrillo, told The Washington Post that after Mireles was shot and her phone slipped from her hand, Miah grabbed it and called 911.

Once outside the school, Miah’s parents said they panicked after seeing their daughter covered in blood. Miah told them: “I’m okay. It’s not my blood.”

One of her classmates was shot and bleeding, Miah told her father; she decided to lie on top of her so the gunman would think they were both dead.

McCraw faced a barrage of questions from reporters trying to piece together a timeline and a response that’s been muddled in recent days. When one journalist reminded the DPS director that there were children and adults making 911 calls to “please send the police,” McCraw replied, “We’re well aware of that,” before reiterating the mistake made by authorities.

“The on-scene commander considered it a barricaded subject and that no more children were at risk,” he said.

“Obviously, based upon the information we have, there were more children at risk and not a barricaded subject.”
McCraw identified the on-scene commander as Pete Arredondo, the chief of police for the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District. Arredondo did not immediately respond to a request for comment Friday. McCraw said it was unclear whether he will face any discipline, and appeared to deflect blame.

“It’s his school, he’s the chief of police,” McCraw said.


As further details on the wait for help have emerged, anger over the shooting has grown.

Cazares, the grandmother, said she is livid that police did not move faster. She has been watching Univision nonstop since Tuesday to stay abreast of the response from local police and the Texas public safety agency. DPS officials have been “trying to defend themselves by saying they were here at a certain time,” she said. But their response — and their lack of willingness to listen — has only further incensed the community.

“They’re only hearing what police are telling him,” she said of the officials at the podium. “Not what parents or regular people are saying.”

At the news conference Friday, McCraw, who at one point cried, was asked whether the parents of the victims are owed an apology. He said that he knew an apology wouldn’t help after a tragedy of this magnitude.

“If I thought it would help,” he said, “I’d apologize.”
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These cops need to turn in their cowboy hats at least. What a bunch of chickenshits! They are paid to protect our kids. Where is the training? Where is the courage?
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 11:23 pm
These cops need to turn in their cowboy hats at least. What a bunch of chickenshits! They are paid to protect our kids. Where is the training? Where is the courage?
Where are their ethics? Where are their souls? Where are their children today? What would they have done if it were their child inside the classroom?

Sit there and wait?
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 11:37 pm
Dr Exiled wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 11:23 pm
These cops need to turn in their cowboy hats at least. What a bunch of chickenshits! They are paid to protect our kids. Where is the training? Where is the courage?
Where are their ethics? Where are their souls? Where are their children today? What would they have done if it were their child inside the classroom?

Sit there and wait?
It's beyond belief. I couldn't live with myself if I were one of those so-called cops. I have kids in school still and had to have a long talk with my son regarding shootings and what to do. He said he was glad that there are a lot of exits at his school ..... how sad is that .... then those who are paid to protect stay outside while kids get killed!?! It seems like a case could be made for criminal negligence. I'd have to take a look at it but if I were a DA in that county, I would be tempted to make a case against these cowards.

There ought to be civil suits at least.
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