UK General Election

[Doctor Steuss]

I can't imagine having two jobs just to get by.

Most people in America have to do just that thanks to Bidenomics

Highest percentage of Americans working multiple jobs during Trump - 5.3% (for three straight months)

Highest percentage of Americans working multiple jobs during Biden - 5.3% (for a single month)

This is why MAGA hates the American court system so much. Facts actually matter there.

[ajax18]

Anti-welfare attitudes are at an all-time low; just 19% of the population think people get benefits they don’t deserve according to the British Social Attitudes survey

The charity Save the Children finds 71% of the population wanting the value of social benefits for low-income families preserved.

Please consider yourself free to stay in Virginia; people are evidently very different there from those amongst whom I am happy to live. But please do stop spouting nonsense on topics about which you appear to know less than nothing.

So you're saying that reason your country needs a change is that the Tories aren't doing what exactly? Do you honestly believe that printing more money, leaving your border wide open for an ulimited importation of third world poverty, and doling out more welfare as BIden has done in America is going to lead to the positive changes you desire? Do you think the Tories didn't keep Britain locked down and out of work long enough to really get your economy going and housing prices down? If only the Labour party were in charge, we wouldn't have all this COVID debt, or we wouldn't have such a big war in Ukraine to pay for?

[IWMP]

Because calling it the labour party connotates that the party is fighting for the interests of people who actually go to work and hold a job, when in reality the labour party fights to take the earnings and property of people who go to work and hold a job so that they can give it to those who don't. The welfare party would be a more appropriate name, if one is to properly label whose interests the party is actually pursuing.

That's just not true.

We pay tax and in return we get free healthcare. Our medicines are capped so the most we pay is just under £10. Not just people on benefits, everyone. We get childcare. People that work get free childcare. There are benefits for people who work too. We get reduced dentist work, some people get free dentist work. Yes it's very hard to get into a dentist right now but that is caused by COVID and the government. We don't pay for ambulances. We don't need to have insurance. Oh boy. I have to go for now.

[IWMP]

Ajax...

So you feel the labour party benefits the welfare state and you aren't hearing anything to the contrary... Well if that is so, the Tories benefit the mega rich making them richer... I know who I'd rather receive benefit.

[IWMP]

Anti-welfare attitudes are at an all-time low; just 19% of the population think people get benefits they don’t deserve according to the British Social Attitudes survey

The charity Save the Children finds 71% of the population wanting the value of social benefits for low-income families preserved.

Please consider yourself free to stay in Virginia; people are evidently very different there from those amongst whom I am happy to live. But please do stop spouting nonsense on topics about which you appear to know less than nothing.

So you're saying that reason your country needs a change is that the Tories aren't doing what exactly? Do you honestly believe that printing more money, leaving your border wide open for an ulimited importation of third world poverty, and doling out more welfare as BIden has done in America is going to lead to the positive changes you desire? Do you think the Tories didn't keep Britain locked down and out of work long enough to really get your economy going and housing prices down? If only the Labour party were in charge, we wouldn't have all this COVID debt, or we wouldn't have such a big war in Ukraine to pay for?

Labour wouldn't affect the war or COVID or debt. We don't expect those things to change. What I hope would change is that the health care system improves and that the gap between the rich and poor reduces.

Ok I'll make it simple and exaggerated enough to maybe make sense.

Right now... The working class is poor. Right now the "welfare" class as you call is is better off than the working class. The people in the middle are the people getting hit hard. The Tories have always been known for looking after number 1.

[ajax18]

What I hope would change is that the health care system improves and that the gap between the rich and poor reduces.

I think your labour party has a good chance of winning. Would you like to take a bet on whether the gap between rich and poor reduces after the labor party takes power?

[IWMP]

What I hope would change is that the health care system improves and that the gap between the rich and poor reduces.

I think your labour party has a good chance of winning. Would you like to take a bet on whether the gap between rich and poor reduces after the labor party takes power?

I think it would take years, the damage is steep. At the very least if the level of poverty decreases then that is progress.

[Chap]

Anti-welfare attitudes are at an all-time low; just 19% of the population think people get benefits they don’t deserve according to the British Social Attitudes survey

The charity Save the Children finds 71% of the population wanting the value of social benefits for low-income families preserved.

Please consider yourself free to stay in Virginia; people are evidently very different there from those amongst whom I am happy to live. But please do stop spouting nonsense on topics about which you appear to know less than nothing.

So you're saying that reason your country needs a change is that the Tories aren't doing what exactly? Do you honestly believe that printing more money, leaving your border wide open for an ulimited importation of third world poverty, and doling out more welfare as BIden has done in America is going to lead to the positive changes you desire? Do you think the Tories didn't keep Britain locked down and out of work long enough to really get your economy going and housing prices down? If only the Labour party were in charge, we wouldn't have all this COVID debt, or we wouldn't have such a big war in Ukraine to pay for?

Well, what we would like is something more like the way that the country used to be run under that last Labour government (1997-2010), which (like all governments), had its faults, but was far far better than the posturing incompetence shameless lying and unscrupulous resource looting of the last 14 Conservative years. When child poverty fell, NHS funding rose in real terms, decent social provision was available for those who needed it ... and there were fewer people living on the street. Oh, by the way: I want a government that is serious in cooperating with our neighbours in Europe to resist Putin's attempts to recreate the Russian empire.

Your silly caricatures show how little you understand what, when the chips are down, British people value.

[ajax18]

I think your labour party has a good chance of winning. Would you like to take a bet on whether the gap between rich and poor reduces after the labor party takes power?

I think it would take years, the damage is steep. At the very least if the level of poverty decreases then that is progress.

I'm not asking if the gap between rich and poor is to be eliminated after the ironically named Labour (Welfare) party is in power for a term. I'm asking if the gap even decreases after one term.

IWP, if you work for a living, I promise you that you'll get better health care, better education, better groceries, and better quality of life under a free market than a communist system of government. Now if you don't work for a living, don't produce anything, and are basically just a worthless person, than you might temporarily get a little better healthcare, a more prestigious degree (Claudine Gay), perhaps even some good welfare cheese. But ultimately even poor worthless people were better off in the USA than they were in the USSR.

I'm grateful I don't live in a country with socialized medicine. I have access to the best healthcare in the world by paying cash for it. All I have to do to qualify for it is earn the money to pay for it. It doesn't matter that I'm not a woman. It doesn't matter that I'm not a minority. It doesn't matter that I'm not pregnant. It doesn't matter if an insurance company labels it experimental, pre-existing, cosmetic, or nonessential. If I do the work and earn the money I qualify for the healthcare. If I don't think it's worth it then I don't buy and I don't have to pay for it, not for me and not for anyone else. That's my definition of real equality under the law. That's what I call workers' rights. If you earn it, than you get to decide how to spend it, not someone else.

[ajax18]

Oh, by the way: I want a government that is serious in cooperating with our neighbours in Europe to resist Putin's attempts to recreate the Russian empire.

So you'd be willing to spend money on military and national defense? That doesn't seem like the platform of the last Welfare Party government of 1997-2010 at all. American Democrats weren't willing to spend money on National defense until recently either. Their logic was that we already have enough atomic bombs to blow up the whole world, so more defense spending is unnecessary.

It's hard for me to understand what it is you don't like about the conservative English party, given that they're almost indistinguishable from leftists when it comes to the actual policy that they've implemented. Any promises they've made to the few remaining Englishmen (who don't advocate for national suicide), they've failed to keep every time.