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Members of the former Central Park 5 took the podium.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
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While it's pointless to try to reason with you Gadianton, I can't help but be astonished to look at what the last four years has brought us and see how eager you are to vote for more of the same failed stimulus and open borders policies that brought us this level of inflation and affordability crisis as Democrats call it. Do you buy into Kamala's "Greedflation," and what exactly is she going to do different than Democrats did over the last four years? For that matter, why haven't Democrats done what they're proposing to do to fix the problem right now while they're in power? Or do you fall into the Elizabeth Warren camp that seeks higher inflation as a means to tax poor people at a higher rate without having to admit to their constituents what they're doing? There's no saving you all from yourselves at this point. If these polls are correct, the left deserves every bit of the economic devastation that is coming to them.
# 1. **Экономическая политика и инфляция** - **Стимул и инфляция.** Обвинение мер стимулирования в инфляции игнорирует более широкий контекст, включая сбои в глобальных цепочках поставок и войну в Украине. Стимул был необходим, чтобы избежать более глубокого экономического кризиса во время пандемии, и без него экономика могла бы пострадать от гораздо более серьезных последствий. - **Иммиграция и инфляция:** Утверждение о том, что «открытые границы» вызвали инфляцию, не подтверждено доказательствами. Иммиграция при правильном управлении может решить проблему нехватки рабочей силы и внести позитивный вклад в экономику. Подход нынешней администрации к иммиграции заключается в создании более упорядоченной и гуманной системы, а не «открытых границ».

# 2. **Камала Харрис и «Greedflation»** - **Корпоративная спекуляция.** Термин «жадная инфляция» отражает опасения, что некоторые компании повышают цены больше, чем необходимо для увеличения прибыли. Этот аргумент предполагает, что корпоративное поведение, а не только макроэкономические факторы, способствует инфляции. Хотя эта идея обсуждается, это вполне обоснованное беспокойство, заслуживающее рассмотрения.

#3. **Демократические действия по экономическим вопросам** - **Послужной список демократов.** Утверждение о том, что демократы ничего не сделали для решения экономических проблем, неверно. Такие законы, как Закон о снижении инфляции, были приняты для решения долгосрочных экономических проблем, включая расходы на здравоохранение и цены на энергоносители. Воздействие этих мер, возможно, не будет немедленным, но они являются шагами к устранению коренных причин инфляции. - **Политические ограничения:** Политический процесс является сложным и медленным, особенно при незначительном большинстве в Конгрессе. Это ограничило масштабы и скорость того, чего могут достичь демократы, но это не значит, что они не пытаются решить эти проблемы.

# 4. **Элизабет Уоррен и инфляция** - **Неправильная характеристика Уоррена:** Идея о том, что Элизабет Уоррен поддерживает более высокую инфляцию, чтобы обложить налогом бедных людей, является искажением ее взглядов. Уоррен выступает за ужесточение регулирования корпораций, чтобы предотвратить чрезмерную спекуляцию и снизить затраты для потребителей, а не увеличивать инфляцию.

# 5. **Опросы и экономические последствия** - **Вредная риторика.** Утверждения о том, что какая-либо группа заслуживает экономического разрушения, вредны и вызывают разногласия. Экономические трудности затрагивают всех, особенно наиболее уязвимых, и их никогда не следует желать другим. В центре внимания должны быть решения, которые работают для всей страны. Подводя итог, можно сказать, что аргументы в исходном заявлении чрезмерно упрощают сложные вопросы и искажают позиции и действия демократов. Более сбалансированное и детальное обсуждение необходимо для решения экономических проблем, стоящих перед страной.
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The hackers in St. Petersburg forgot to have the Ajaxbot diatribe automatically translated from Russian to English.
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ajax18 wrote:
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He posted every 30 seconds during Harris’ speech. This absolute cornball posted every, thirty, seconds during the Veep’s speech.

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Stuff I heard from Trump's mouth today. ;)

"So when I return to the White House we will stop the plunder, rape, slaughter, and destruction of our American suburbs, our cities, and towns."

:o Has this guy ever, I dunno, jumped in a car and actually driven to an actual suburb in his entire actual life?

Here, I timestamped it: https://youtu.be/rnaxXjLrUrI?t=135

This other thing which I forget where I heard it...think it was a phone interview where he claimed that (get this) 70% of Americans are living in poverty. :shock:

It's actually 11.5%. Yeah, I looked it up unlike Mr. I'm running for President and I don't know crap.
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It boggles the mind that a fully grown adult could say such stupid, ignorant things and that there are people who hang onto everything he says.
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Dr. Sunstoned wrote:
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It boggles the mind that a fully grown adult could say such stupid, ignorant things and that there are people who hang onto everything he says.
He's an open fire hose of BS.
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Ajax wrote:While it's pointless to try to reason with you Gadianton, I can't help but be astonished to look at what the last four years has brought us and see how eager you are to vote for more of the same failed stimulus and open borders policies that brought us this level of inflation and affordability crisis as Democrats call it.
You've never tried reason. You have only tried hyperventilating.
same failed stimulus .... that brought us this level of inflation
You would first have to demonstrate that republican deficit spending has been any different from democrat deficit spending. Recall, I got a check signed by Donald J. Trump himself if there is any question about how willing MAGA republicans are to spend.

Next you have a problem with the nature of the claim itself. You've come out in the past supporting the quantity theory of money. In monetarist frameworks, deficit spending crowds out, it doesn't cause inflation. There's a way you can make the link but you'd have to figure that out, and then present the case that it's a Democrat phenomena.
open borders policies ... that brought us this level of inflation
First you would have to demonstrate that democrat border policy has been different than republican border policy. Recall, up until Trump, Republicans have been pro immigration in general. They all use cheap immigrant labor so it's no wonder why. MAGA talking points aren't established policy. It's easy to talk. Recall that Donald Trump told his party not to support Biden's border deal because he wants an immigration problem so he can emerge as the hero and fix it. I do think there were some failings on the democrat side when Biden took over, but, those failings were due in part to just how poorly designed Trump's policies were. But again, I leave it to you to actually find the facts I'm talking about and bring the claim.

The larger problem you have with this claim, is that whatever the problems open borders cause, they don't cause inflation. There is no theory about how this happens at all, at least that I'm aware of. There are claims to the contrary, that illegal immigration lowers inflation, which makes sense in theory, but I have not seen data to support it. Yes, it's a right-wing talking point. A leftwing friend's father who is an old rancher/lawyer talks about illegals "eating up all the beef." This is the level of economic thought that comes out of MAGA. No, it's not reason, and it won't convince me.

I could in theory be convinced. I'm pretty defensive when it comes to my bottom line. I worry about growing old and out of a job and homeless. But, let's see a facts-based argument that the conservative agenda let alone Donald Trump has a fix for what otherwise, are like forces of nature that we don't have much control over.
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Gadianton wrote:
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I worry about growing old and out of a job and homeless.
Potential byproducts of Project 2025 and the Trump autocracy.
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