What the heck is going on?

[canpakes]

Old people get older, Markk. Eventually, they even die. This should not be surprising to you.

Lol, yes we do, and as we get old people have take care of us more and more and make decisions for us. Things like paying our bills, driving, opening hard plastic wrappings, remembering our address, and other minor day day challenges like running the United States and the the free world, and managing our family members that carry a device with codes that can destroy the world a few times over.

It is perfectly acceptable for those that take care of us lie to the the folks that put their trust and hopes into us and tell us we have never been more coherent and are as sharp as a tac. And it is okay for those that take care of us to make life decisions and sign our name on documents as if it were us making these tough life decisions. And when we are out with our grand kids play in the yard with them, it is perfectly fine for our care takers to dress up like the easter bunny to direct us and watch over us to make sure we do not say something silly or incorrect to our neighbors that might embarrass ourselves or our family.

It is also fine and acceptable that when we send out our holiday videos to our friends and family that our care givers give us cue cards to read a message of cheer to them. Generally when our care givers do this they use several cameras so they can edit the final video in order to help our extended family and friends see a crisp, youthful version of ourself, and not one of us wondering around aimlessly.

Then after all this, and it becomes more than evident to our loved ones that we have not been that spry, energetic us, that they just through us in a home and write books about us of how messed up we really were and how shocking it was for those that did know but could not say so....yes cakes, you are correct, old people do get older and yes die. I am glad you figured this out in these past few weeks.

I will leave you with this, it is also really cool as we loose our faculties, and we have a better than expected moment, our spouse gives us encouragements like this great example....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjSDCIXChfA

Markk, did you have a specific age-related complaint about Biden that you wanted to talk about?

[Moksha]

Yes, but it is sad to have a rapidly spreading cancer, and using that to make some inane political point is rather cruel and tasteless.

So those that were close to Joe, and writing these books about Joe and is health, knew he had cancer all along? This is going to be an interesting few months watching folks die on this hill.

I know you never have much to offer here beyond your drive by comments, but how long has Joe had this rapidly spreading cancer? Like those that are now turning on him, did you see a sharp as a tac Biden in his presidency? When did, if at all, did you start seeing his health failing?

What I said is correct. by the way, Trump is an evil SOB, and you are defending him.

There is no need to make long-winded posts that consist solely of tripe.

[huckelberry]

kishkumen, your other thread explained for those who forget that a good president surrounds himself with the best help. With that help a mentally declining Biden could do a good job and to my view did.

Yes to try to continue a second term appears much to have been an error.

Huck, I respect most of your takes and you along with Dr Steuss often challenge my thoughts, but come on. They guy had no idea what was going on. I saw it, the right saw it in 2020. Now all of a sudden the books are coming out, and folks are now being truthful in what was going on. This again is not going to get better.

Here is his help

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5ixK5fZ7Ko

Markk. To say Biden had no idea of what was going on is to my mind an exaggeration of an exaggeration. It is clear he fatigued more quickly and experienced delays in response time and recall. Perhaps I am old enough I have more sympathy for that. But even with that sympathy I think he should have decided one term before the election.

State of the union Biden came across as sharp. In the debate he was unable to keep up and respond directly to things Trump said. I did not see any indication he did not understand but his responses were poor.

[Gunnar]

The problem with the ultra sound is they detect kidney stones, which I then worry about. I've passed a few and it is by far the worse pain I have ever felt. Lol, gotta love it.

I know what you mean about kidney stones. I had one many years ago, and as with you, it was the worst pain I ever experienced. One of the nurses at the hospital confided in me that she had experienced both childbirth and kidney stones, and the pain from the kidney stone was worse. At the hospital they had me pee into a strainer until it passed so they could examine the stone. When it finally passed, I was amazed at how small it was for something that had caused me so much pain.

[Gunnar]

Watching that debate was a bit shocking, in how badly Biden sounded, and how he still managed to make more sense than Trump in that condition. Consistently.

I too was disappointed in Biden's performance in that debate, but I agree with you that despite that, he still managed to make more sense than Trump did. Yet he still managed to perform brilliantly in his state of the union address.

But I'm inclined to agree that he probably should not have run for a second term. If I recall correctly, he originally indicated from the beginning that he only intended to run for one term as President. I think he would have done himself, his party and the nation a favor if he had stuck to that original intention and passed the baton to someone else after completion of his first term.

What he accomplished during that one term was notable, however. He left the country with an economy that many say was the envy of the world, that was still growing, with a slowing inflation rate, slower than most of the rest of the world, record low unemployment rates, and high jobs creation due to the Chips Act and infrastructure and other initiatives that Trump is now trying to dismantle and in the process transforming the rapidly growing GDP Biden left us with into the currently declining GDP and almost certainly higher costs of everything due to his stupid tariffs.

But stupidest of all is his determination to grant enormous tax cuts to the wealthiest people on earth at the expense of higher costs and cutting essential benefits and services to most everyone else.

[huckelberry]

Watching that debate was a bit shocking, in how badly Biden sounded, and how he still managed to make more sense than Trump in that condition. Consistently.

I too was disappointed in Biden's performance in that debate, but I agree with you that despite that, he still managed to make more sense than Trump did. Yet he still managed to perform brilliantly in his state of the union address.

Thinking of what Biben did in the debate is an interesting example of how different people seeing the same thing will understand it differently. I heard Trump saying things shy of truth. Biden looked all about as if confused. I think Biben understood what was said well enough but his response time was totally tripped up by the Gish gallop. What in the world do you say to all that? Biden did look confused. Some one else might think Biden did not understand Trump, perhaps forgot what he was doing or where he was. Some people saw the second I saw the first.

[Jersey Girl]

What I said is correct. by the way, Trump is an evil SOB, and you are defending him.

There is no need to make long-winded posts that consist solely of tripe.

You know it's bad when the Bird is on the verge of outright swearage around here. I wholeheartedly agree with the above assessment in its entirety.

[Gunnar]

Thinking of what Biben did in the debate is an interesting example of how different people seeing the same thing will understand it differently. I heard Trump saying things shy of truth. Biden looked all about as if confused. I think Biben understood what was said well enough but his response time was totally tripped up by the Gish gallop. What in the world do you say to all that? Biden did look confused. Some one else might think Biden did not understand Trump, perhaps forgot what he was doing or where he was. Some people saw the second I saw the first.

I agree with that assessment. Almost everything Trump said was an outright lie or displayed his abysmal ignorance. I particularly agree that Biden's response time and responses were totally tripped up by Trump's firehose-like Gish gallop-like output. Besides that, it is my understanding that Biden was still recovering from a recent respiratory illness and was at less than his best at the time. Still, even so, when Biden managed to get a word in edgewise, he still made more sense than what Trump was saying.

[Markk]

So those that were close to Joe, and writing these books about Joe and is health, knew he had cancer all along? This is going to be an interesting few months watching folks die on this hill.

I know you never have much to offer here beyond your drive by comments, but how long has Joe had this rapidly spreading cancer? Like those that are now turning on him, did you see a sharp as a tac Biden in his presidency? When did, if at all, did you start seeing his health failing?

What I said is correct. by the way, Trump is an evil SOB, and you are defending him.

There is no need to make long-winded posts that consist solely of tripe.

So you believe that the Biden camp, releasing that he has cancer, when they have obviously known it for years, right before a book is released telling the truth about is dementia while President, was not a political move by his camp?

What's sad is that you make accusations after accusations, over and over, without remotely being able to back up your assertions or show you do any reading at all.

What is more sad, by far, is that Jill Biden would allow her husband, who is obviously in mental decline, to not only serve as president in his first term, but to allow him to run again?

I will defend Trump where I feel it is deserving, and I have no issue with saying he deserves criticisms when it is my opinion. Can you do the same with Joe and his administration?

[Kishkumen]

kishkumen, your other thread explained for those who forget that a good president surrounds himself with the best help. With that help a mentally declining Biden could do a good job and to my view did.

Yes to try to continue a second term appears much to have been an error.

Yeah, in retrospect it looks bad, but is it as bad as all that?

I say no. Let's think this through. Right now, we have a president who is, in essence, trying to be a dictator. He is violating the Constitution, defying court orders, kidnapping citizens and people legally here in this country to ship them off to foreign gulags, attacking higher education, openly taking bribes, working on stripping millions of people of their healthcare, lowering taxes on the fabulously wealthy, and increasing the deficit by THREE TRILLION dollars.

If Biden had run and won, and then he had to resign to hand things off to Harris, we would still be much better off today than we are now. The only way in which Biden running a second time was worse was because people have been made stupid by television. In other words, in a sane world, where people's brains had not turned to mush by television propaganda, an objective take on a tired, cognitively impaired Biden's successes as opposed to the destructive insanity of a completely corrupt and authoritarian Trump regime would lead to choosing the former over the latter every day of the week. It was only really a bad idea because it was a bad electoral strategy.

Markk, Hound, and Ajax are prime examples of the mush-brained crowd. They believe all the stupid crap and lies Trump offers up daily, they collude in their own impoverishment, and they hate anyone who tells them the facts. In other words, they are lambs eagerly offering themselves up to the butcher. In short, Joe Biden is smarter than they are. Even with dementia, Joe Biden makes better decisions than Markk, Hound, and Ajax. DM's Triumvirate of Self-Destruction.

We need to get back to a world where people were capable of looking to the results instead of the horserace.