I’m not convinced that any evidence of Trump engaging in pedophilia or pedophilia-adjacent behavior would shake more than a handful of MAGA from Trump’s thrall.
There's already him purposefully walking in on children getting dressed, and him sexualizing his own daughter as a child. MAGA doesn't care. Saying that undeniable evidence of him doing this with Epstein (or pedophile facilitating trafficker Ghislaine "I Wish Her Well" Maxwell) would somehow now make them change their mind on Trump is vapid nonsense.
It's like feigning being concerned about antisemitism while supporting a guy that was the first major political party candidate to ever be endorsed by a leader of the American Nazi Party.
No, Markk. I'm not claiming that YOU were saying we're all hypocrites to the same degree. You are merely saying we are all hypocrites.
Morley however wrote: " [Markk] Saying that we're all hypocrites, or sinners, or thieves as justification for our own personal foibles is BS. We're, none of us, hypocrites or sinners or thieves to the same degree as each other."
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I don't understand your gripe.
When you (Markk) or anyone else says "that we're all hypocrites, or sinners, or thieves as justification for our own personal foibles [it] is BS."
Morely continues his argument by giving the reasoning behind his statement: This is so because "we're, none of us, hypocrites or sinners or thieves to the same degree as each other."
I didn't attribute anything to you that you didn't say.
I'm nowhere saying that you suggested we're all hypocrites to the same degree. However, I am pointing out that, if we're not all not all equally bad about being hypocrites, then your invocation of the phrase is meaningless.
It wouldn't be surprising if Trump was involved more than has been disclosed so far. He was pals with Epstein and seemingly promoted the attorney, in his first admin, that gave Epstein a pass with a plea agreement that can be smelled all over the world. But what if the Clintons are there and Obama and others of the democrat team? Shouldn't all the aholes go to prison? They should right, even if it harms the team?
I would think rooting out the criminals in your party helps the team, not harms it.
Should serious criminals go to jail? Obviously. Should people go to jail because we don't like their politics? Obviously not (except that's not so obvious to Trump supporters, apparently).
Well, what if there is evidence that a certain president's ne'er do well son and perhaps the president and his family were involved in corruption? What if another president's son gets a sweetheart deal in Vietnam and a certain president gets a plane?
The problem is that team politics almost demands that you look away from the team's sins and cry politics when the other team presses on the issue. Then the gaslighting and name calling start, etc. Then it becomes rooting out corruption within the team helps but only if it is happening to the other team.
Myth is misused by the powerful to subjugate the masses all too often.
The problem is that team politics almost demands that you look away from the team's sins and cry politics when the other team presses on the issue. Then the gaslighting and name calling start, etc. Then it becomes rooting out corruption within the team helps but only if it is happening to the other team.
There is a difficulty. All politics are team politics. Politics and team are closer than two sides of a coin. It doesn't matter what system you have it involves team politics. If you are king or dictator you still have the politics of your team. Perhaps an exception would be a one person camping trip.
Well, what if there is evidence that a certain president's ne'er do well son and perhaps the president and his family were involved in corruption? What if another president's son gets a sweetheart deal in Vietnam and a certain president gets a plane?
The problem is that team politics almost demands that you look away from the team's sins and cry politics when the other team presses on the issue. Then the gaslighting and name calling start, etc. Then it becomes rooting out corruption within the team helps but only if it is happening to the other team.
The problem you seem to have is thinking everyone is on one team or another. If there's actual evidence that Biden or any other Democrat is corrupt, they should be adjudicated like everyone else. That's the correct thing for a society to do.
I'm not a Democrat. I don't care about Democrats except to the extent they protect us from lying, hypocritical Republicans (redundant, I know. I could have just said Republican and the lying and hypocrisy is inferred).
My team is people who care about what is actually real. Those are the only folks with whom I feel a kinship. Watching both parties from the outside and thinking they are equally terrible is not realistic.
Religion is for people whose existential fear is greater than their common sense.
My doctor says, "Morley, you're morbidly obese. You need to lose some weight."
I reply, "Meh. Everyone has this problem. Most people could stand to lose some. You're about ten pounds overweight yourself."
My reply is a deflection, and an attempt at moral equivalency. I do it because it minimizes the problem.
"We are all hypocrites" is the same kind of BS.
very well said, Morley.
We can't take farmers and take all their people and send them back because they don't have maybe what they're supposed to have. They get rid of some of the people who have been there for 25 years and they work great and then you throw them out and they're replaced by criminals.
The problem you seem to have is thinking everyone is on one team or another.
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My team is people who care about what is actually real.
This.
I’ve never been a registered member of any political party. I don’t have a team to pledge my allegiance to. And either party can be purveyors of BS.
That said, pretending that there aren’t obvious and critical differences between the type, amount, severity and consequences of the BS being offered up, would be a ridiculous stand to take.
The problem you seem to have is thinking everyone is on one team or another.
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My team is people who care about what is actually real.
This.
I’ve never been a registered member of any political party. I don’t have a team to pledge my allegiance to. And either party can be purveyors of BS.
That said, pretending that there aren’t obvious and critical differences between the type, amount, severity and consequences of the BS being offered up, would be a ridiculous stand to take.
The problem is that team politics almost demands that you look away from the team's sins and cry politics when the other team presses on the issue. Then the gaslighting and name calling start, etc. Then it becomes rooting out corruption within the team helps but only if it is happening to the other team.
There is a difficulty. All politics are team politics. Politics and team are closer than two sides of a coin. It doesn't matter what system you have it involves team politics. If you are king or dictator you still have the politics of your team. Perhaps an exception would be a one person camping trip.
Yes, but at a certain point it becomes a borderline criminal conspiracy to cover up for the party or leads to a civil war with one team constantly attacking the other and sometimes rising to violence. It's gotta stop. Emotions should lessen and regardless of whether or not we have a bull in the china shop or an alzheimer's patient, we are all Americans and party affiliation is used as a method to divide us in favor of the donor class.
I get that people are angry at the current president and others were angry at the other president not really being there, but let's not forget the fact that Congress, both parties, cannot keep a law on the books that prevents them from insider trading. There was recently a news story about Senators having interests in Ukraine that could be evidence of more corruption. It'll probably not go anywhere as a news story because the corporate media masters probably have their hand in the corruption as well. Forget an audit of the funds sent to Ukraine, it's probably Russian propaganda, or at least that is what the corporate media tell us.
I think we are being played by the donor class and party affiliation is a major source of their power. Divide and rule or divide and conquer has been used at least since the Roman times and was used by the British to subjugate India. Perhaps these fights over the 10 commandments being placed wherever and the relentless push to have trans athletes in women's sports is part of it? Keep the population busy while the looting goes forward? And you better support your party and continuously point the finger at the others while your own leaders pick your pockets.
Seems like we should be at a zenith of all this partisan nonsense and realize what is really going on.
Myth is misused by the powerful to subjugate the masses all too often.
