Mar-A-Lago Legally Searched by FBI

[Vēritās]

Unfortunately, both of these statements are true.

Both of these statements are still true. If the second statement describes a priority for the DOJ, they are failing at their priorities. If the first statement by Gad is the DOJ's priority, they are killing it.

The second remark is retarded as we now know much more information, two weeks later.

[Vēritās]

Also, remind me again what theory you have to support the espionage conspiracy? Or, is it a conspiracy that supports your espionage theory?

It’s not a theory. The act itself falls under USC 18 something something (google it). It’s literally a fact if you believe the law is just.

- Doc

I don't think Binger knows what either term means. Neither espionage nor conspiracy.

There is no getting around the fact that he violated the espionage act. This became a fact when he and his attorney's stated in a sworn affidavit that they had turned over all documents that were requested. You cannot intentionally lie to the government about having documents, whether classified or not. The fact that just one of these is top secret means DT is screwed. There is no gaslighting his way out of this and there is no Republican Senate that can save him this time.

If Trump is convicted for violating the Espionage Act and two other federal laws, he could face up to 33 years in prison, legal experts say

Trump is being investigated for potentially violating Section 793 — gathering, transmitting or losing defense information, which also includes refusal to return information that is demanded by the government.

The distinction is that Trump — as far as is publicly known — is not under investigation for giving national defense information to a foreign government with the intent to harm the U.S or aid a foreign nation, or traditional espionage, according to experts who spoke to CBS News.

Though the 793 provision of the law references "transmitting" defense information, that refers to "any method of moving the document from the secure location to an unauthorized party or an unsecured location," national security lawyer Brad Moss said.

Section 794 also carries a much steeper sentence of up to life in prison or the death penalty. The provision for which Trump is under investigation has a maximum 10-year prison sentence.

Despite its name, the Espionage Act isn't limited to traditional espionage. It's also used as a vehicle to prosecute cases of mishandling classified information.

"The fact that it is still called the Espionage Act is really confusing for most people, because the law generally has nothing to do with spying at this point," said Moss. "It should be renamed the Official Secrets Act, not the Espionage Act."

Congress enacted the Espionage Act on June 15, 1917, two months after the U.S. entered World War I, to stifle dissent of U.S. involvement in the war. In modern day, it's been used against those who leak classified information and those who remove classified information from secure facilities and store it at home.

Trump is not the only high-profile political figure to be investigated under the Espionage Act.

Former FBI Director James Comey controversially decided not to seek criminal charges against former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton under the Espionage Act for her private email server because there wasn't enough evidence of willful intent or gross negligence. Dozens of emails containing classified information were housed on the server.

"The question for the Justice Department was, did she create this private server with the intent of people sending her unmarked classified information? And did she have any reason to suspect the information in those emails was in fact classified? And they concluded there was insufficient evidence of that," Moss said. ...

According to the search warrant, Trump is also under investigation for two other potential crimes not related to the Espionage Act. They include 18 USC 2071, involving removing, falsifying or destroying public records; and 18 USC 1519, obstruction of justice. The latter carries a 20-year maximum prison sentence, double what someone would face under Section 793 of the Espionage Act.

The thing is, all these Deep State Conspiracy morons like FOX, ajax and binger have gone all in on the baseless assumption that the DOJ violated some kind of protocols that paints Trump as a victim of political persecution. All because he asserts that. They want so badly to believe that this is only driven by politics, not evidence. This is demonstrated by the numerous erroneous claims they've made since day one. If DT does go to trial all of the evidence will be revealed and this bickering about transparency will be moot. There is a reason why the Trump team didn't argue in court to have the affidavit fully disclosed to the judge. They know that if it were fully disclosed then all the evidence against him would be irrefutable and overwhelming, effectively shooting down his lying excuses for what he did as well as his false narrative about how it all played out. But more importantly, it would effectively destroy his candidacy in 2024.


Whenever this does all go down in court, these guys are going to be looking awfully foolish. I mean, more so than they already do.

[canpakes]

You are just posturing for your naked emperor and for a particularly corrupt act by the FBI and DOJ.

Poor Trump. I can’t believe that he has to give back these things that he never should have taken, and that the FBI was forced to retrieve, after many requests for Trump to return them himself that he ignored.

Those FBI guys sure are mean.

[Binger]

You are just posturing for your naked emperor and for a particularly corrupt act by the FBI and DOJ.

Poor Trump. I can’t believe that he has to give back these things that he never should have taken, and that the FBI was forced to retrieve, after many requests for Trump to return them himself that he ignored.

Those FBI guys sure are mean.

Oh cool. And this is based on the FBI leak to CNN or the redacted application?

[ajax18]

A judge who hates Trump. Over a quarter of the affidavit was retracted. This along with so many other things needs to be investigated by the other side.

What other side?

When the Republicans take back Congress and have the power to do what the Democrats did to the Trump admistration from 2018 to 2020.

[ajax18]

I think there has to be a prosecution in this case. If the United States does NOT prosecute, what are we saying to all future sources of human or signal intelligence? What do we say to foreign governments who share secrets with us trusting we will keep them secret?

Imagine if the Japanese knew that we had broken their naval codes, or the Nazis knew we had cracked Enigma during World War II. Forget about the message we send to MAGAland if Trump is charged. Think about the damage we do to our intelligence gathering if we do NOT charge him.

You are absolutely right. DT needs to go to jail for the rest of his life. That thought doesn't bring me any joy as I see DT as just a symptom of the degeneracy of today's "regular guy". The self-imposed suffering of any DT worshipers? That's a different story.

Anyway, people don't understand why the espionage act is what it is. We have to prevent the kind of scenarios you're speaking of from even possibly happening. It doesn't matter if he's sold, lost, or shared any secrets yet. Putting oneself in the position where these things can happen itself is criminalized as an additional layer of protection.

Yeah, look how hard they came down on Hillary.

[Binger]

I think we can all agree on one thing: the release of the fully unredacted affidavit would definitely compromise the Trump investigation.

[honorentheos]

I think there has to be a prosecution in this case. If the United States does NOT prosecute, what are we saying to all future sources of human or signal intelligence? What do we say to foreign governments who share secrets with us trusting we will keep them secret?

Imagine if the Japanese knew that we had broken their naval codes, or the Nazis knew we had cracked Enigma during World War II. Forget about the message we send to MAGAland if Trump is charged. Think about the damage we do to our intelligence gathering if we do NOT charge him.

You are absolutely right. DT needs to go to jail for the rest of his life. That thought doesn't bring me any joy as I see DT as just a symptom of the degeneracy of today's "regular guy". The self-imposed suffering of any DT worshipers? That's a different story.

Anyway, people don't understand why the espionage act is what it is. We have to prevent the kind of scenarios you're speaking of from even possibly happening. It doesn't matter if he's sold, lost, or shared any secrets yet. Putting oneself in the position where these things can happen itself is criminalized as an additional layer of protection.

In the old monarchies we supposedly rejected an offense against the law was an offense to the ruling monarch. Break the king's law? Suffer the king's punishment.

In our Republic, an offense against the law is an offense toward the people. Upholding the law is upholding the interests of the people writ large.

Trump and his acolytes have inverted this, declaring that Trump cannot possibly have committed offense against the law because he was President and therefore any attack on him is really an attack on the people. The cry among his acolytes being the elite are attacking Trump who was representing them rather than the interests of the elite.

And where does one see this assertion of authority?

viewtopic.php?p=2790626#p2790626

...the rule of the few in the name of the many...

[Moksha]

Those FBI guys sure are mean.

Trump could retaliate by asking all his MAGA guys to go to war against America. MAGA guys owe no loyalty to the United States. They pledge their fealty to Trump.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

You are absolutely right. DT needs to go to jail for the rest of his life. That thought doesn't bring me any joy as I see DT as just a symptom of the degeneracy of today's "regular guy". The self-imposed suffering of any DT worshipers? That's a different story.

Anyway, people don't understand why the espionage act is what it is. We have to prevent the kind of scenarios you're speaking of from even possibly happening. It doesn't matter if he's sold, lost, or shared any secrets yet. Putting oneself in the position where these things can happen itself is criminalized as an additional layer of protection.

In the old monarchies we supposedly rejected an offense against the law was an offense to the ruling monarch. Break the king's law? Suffer the king's punishment.

In our Republic, an offense against the law is an offense toward the people. Upholding the law is upholding the interests of the people writ large.

Trump and his acolytes have inverted this, declaring that Trump cannot possibly have committed offense against the law because he was President and therefore any attack on him is really an attack on the people. The cry among his acolytes being the elite are attacking Trump who was representing them rather than the interests of the elite.

And where does one see this assertion of authority?

viewtopic.php?p=2790626#p2790626

...the rule of the few in the name of the many...

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- Doc