Remembering Building 7

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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:09 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:41 pm
As Marcus pointed out, you pointed out the predictive ability backwards. But beyond that, associations are not causation. Are you completely free of schizotypal and autistic traits? What percentage of people who believe in conspiracy theories demonstrate schizotypal or autistic traits? What percentage of the population in general demonstrates these traits. Was this single study based on a random sample? Is any single study ever authoritative.

You habitually misuse individual studies. A strong advocate of science should know better.
Humorously (sort of), the only study that cites this one (another group of Aussies) notes that the tendency to engage in systematic information searching (and a lack of scientific reasoning) is commonly associated with higher scores on autistic traits.

With them going with schizotypal traits, and the study being self-reporting with no clinical group, I'd venture that there was a heavy bias towards positive association with said traits amongst the groups volunteers.
The self-reporting and nature of the sample were my biggest question marks about the study. I only found the abstract. I couldn't find a non-paywalled copy of the study.
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BeNotDeceived wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:56 pm
Some Schmo wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:39 pm

Is that because the official story describes a conspiracy? Or is it only a conspiracy if Americans do it?
The official story IS the conspiracy theory.
Oh, so you're saying the majority of people believe in a "conspiracy theory," and the minority of people who do believe 9/11 was an "inside job" have all the right answers, even though they rarely share the right answers.

I agree it was a conspiracy... among people from al Qaeda.
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BND,

Have you read the 9/11 Commission Report? Linked for your reading if you haven’t:

https://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf

All I can tell you as someone who’s had a little bit of experience with investigative work that as far as it goes I’m not sure any set of facts have been so thoroughly investigated, rigorously vetted, no sets of data points so carefully analyzed and double-checked by as many thousands of federal investigators and government officials, that to either be wrong or worse, a cover up, you’d have to believe most everyone involved at every level is in on it. And crazier, they all kept their mouths shut. And even crazier, that if they’re that good at a coordinated black ops and a black cover up op, that they would just let people expose their work with not interdiction and no repercussion.

Corbett would be dead. You’d be dead. Anyone that used Google, and got a little too close would be dead. Anyone that talked on their cells and used keywords picked up by the NSA would be dead. The absurdity that the US Government would literally pull off the greatest, most sophisticated domestic terrorist operation on its own soil for whatever reasons, keep it secret amongst the all the thousands upon thousands of officials, and just allow John Q Public to expose them is bananas.

You should apply Occam’s Razor to this topic. But first, you read the entirety of the report linked above first.

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edit - BND. He dead. :(
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:41 pm

As Marcus pointed out, you pointed out the predictive ability backwards.
I know that.

But it does mean that a lot of conspiracy theorists have schizotypal or autistic traits. About 1 in 8 conspiracy theorists (who "Strongly believe" 9/11 was an inside job) have schizotypal or autistic traits.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/959 ... piracy-us/
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/11/health/a ... index.html
Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:41 pm
You habitually misuse individual studies. A strong advocate of science should know better.
I didn't. I never stated conspiracy beliefs are reliable predictors of schizotypal and autistic traits.

I was simply mocking conspiracy theorists when I quoted Watkins.
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Marcus wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:13 pm

Does it say conspiracy beliefs are reliable predictors of schizotypal and autistic traits? No? But that's what you have incorrectly stated here.

"They're All ... Short-Bus People" - Albert Watkins
No. The "All" shouldn't be taken literally. I obviously was exaggerating.
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BeNotDeceived wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:56 pm
The official story IS the conspiracy theory.
How do you explain the collapse of the east penthouse?
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doubtingthomas wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:47 am
Marcus wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:13 pm

Does it say conspiracy beliefs are reliable predictors of schizotypal and autistic traits? No? But that's what you have incorrectly stated here.

"They're All ... Short-Bus People" - Albert Watkins
No. The "All" shouldn't be taken literally. I obviously was exaggerating.
You took a snippet from a quote that actually says the opposite of what you suggested it says. Full quote:
Watkins, the “Q Shaman” Jacob Chansley’s attorney, said his client had Asperger’s syndrome and indicated that Chansley’s mental state — and the impact of Trump’s “propaganda” efforts — would play a role in his case.

“A lot of these defendants — and I’m going to use this colloquial term, perhaps disrespectfully — but they’re all ... short-bus people,” Watkins told TPM. “These are people with brain damage, they’re ... retarded, they’re on the goddamn spectrum.”

“But they’re our brothers, our sisters, our neighbors, our coworkers — they’re part of our country. These aren’t bad people, they don’t have prior criminal history. “F”, they were subjected to four-plus years of goddamn propaganda the likes of which the world has not seen since ... Hitler.”
According to the speaker, the samenesses are more important than the differences. And none of us are immune from propaganda.
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I am going with two planes flew into the towers and caused them to fall. That is good enough for me.

Oh, and I am going with stupid ass wars too.

I am good.
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Binger wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:38 am
I am going with two planes flew into the towers and caused them to fall. That is good enough for me.

Oh, and I am going with stupid ass wars too.

I am good.
I'm good with that.
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Re: Remembering Building 7

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Some Schmo wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:02 pm
BeNotDeceived wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:54 pm
Free speech in this nation is slowly being eroded.
This is enough information to decide not to take you seriously.

Remarkable how damned loud people are while their free speech is "threatened." Aaron Rogers is complaining about being silenced... every damned week. I've never heard so much from him as I have lately. Whoever is silencing these people is doing a horrendous job of it.

Morons.
If you think freedom of speech is not under fire in this country and hasn't been for the last 21 years, I've got some beachfront property in Nebraska I'd like to sell you. Holy crud man, just look at all of the illegal and unconstitutional legislation and new government departments that were born out of the fraud of 9/11, most of which would make Hitler proud. And I'm sorry to say, it's people like you why it's all succeeding.
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