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subgenius wrote:inconclusive, and most people lean towards the fact that she never exhibited signs of having a pulse....but she 100% had her finger nowhere near the pulse.

Context just isn’t something you process well, it appears.
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Gunnar wrote:
canpakes wrote:Tulsi Gabbard would be an interesting candidate.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard
Yes indeed! If she runs and wins in 2020, she will not only be the first female President in history, but the youngest.
EAllusion wrote:I'd think her hardcore support of Bashar al-Assad would make her about as bad of a Democratic candidate as you're likely to find.

I’ll disagree. I don’t see this issue as significant for a candidate in a duel with Trump, and I don’t interpret likely Democratic voters to be negatively swayed by her particular stand on it enough to lose their support.
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canpakes wrote:
Gunnar wrote:Tulsi Gabbard would be an interesting candidate.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard

Yes indeed! If she runs and wins in 2020, she will not only be the first female President in history, but the youngest.

canpakes wrote:
EAllusion wrote:I'd think her hardcore support of Bashar al-Assad would make her about as bad of a Democratic candidate as you're likely to find.

I’ll disagree. I don’t see this issue as significant for a candidate in a duel with Trump, and I don’t interpret likely Democratic voters to be negatively swayed by her particular stand on it enough to lose their support.

Considering her reasoning for leaving Assad alone, you may be right:
In the first session of the 115th Congress on January 4, 2017, Gabbard introduced bill H.R. 258 to prohibit the use of United States Government funds to provide assistance to Al Qaeda, Jabhat Fateh al-Sham, and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) and to countries supporting those organizations directly or indirectly.[62][63][64] Announcing the legislation, she said: "If you or I gave money, weapons or support to al-Qaeda or ISIS, we would be thrown in jail. Yet the U.S. government has been violating this law for years, quietly supporting allies and partners of al-Qaeda, ISIL ... and other terrorist groups with money, weapons and intelligence support, in their fight to overthrow the Syrian government."[65]


Gabbard opposes the US removing Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad from power.[124] She has cited US "regime-change" involvement in Syria as a source of the Syrian refugee crisis.[125]

In 2013 Gabbard opposed the Obama administration's proposed military strikes in Syria, arguing that intervention in Syria would go against America's national security, international credibility, economic interest, and moral center.[126] She later introduced legislation to block U.S. military action against the Assad regime.[127] She has described US involvement in the Syrian Civil War as "our counterproductive regime-change war", and said that it is this "regime-change war that is causing people to flee their country".[125]

Gabbard was one of three members of Congress to vote against House resolution 121, which condemned the government of Syria and "other parties to the conflict" for war crimes and crimes against humanity,"[128] saying that though Assad is a "brutal dictator," the resolution was "a War Bill—a thinly veiled attempt to use the rationale of 'humanitarianism' as a justification for overthrowing the Syrian government". She explained that the resolution "urges the administration to create 'additional mechanisms for the protection of civilians', which is coded language for the creation of a so-called no-fly/safe zone." Gabbard has rejected suggestions for the creation of a no-fly zone in Syria, stating that it would cost "billions of dollars, require tens of thousands of ground troops and a massive U.S. air presence, and it won't work", and that such a move would risk confrontation with Russia.[129][130]
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canpakes wrote:Tulsi Gabbard would be an interesting candidate.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard

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This just in:

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard said Friday she will run for president in 2020.

"I have decided to run and will be making a formal announcement within the next week," the Hawaii Democrat told CNN's Van Jones during an interview slated to air at 7 p.m. Saturday on CNN's "The Van Jones Show."

Gabbard, an Iraq War veteran, currently serves on the House Foreign Affairs Committee. She is the first American Samoan and the first Hindu member of Congress.

"There are a lot of reasons for me to make this decision. There are a lot of challenges that are facing the American people that I'm concerned about and that I want to help solve," she said, listing health care access, criminal justice reform and climate change as key platform issues.

"There is one main issue that is central to the rest, and that is the issue of war and peace," Gabbard added. "I look forward to being able to get into this and to talk about it in depth when we make our announcement."

Rania Batrice, who was a deputy campaign manager for Bernie Sanders in 2016 and is now a top aide to Gabbard, will be the campaign manager, Batrice says.

In 2015, Gabbard, then a vice-chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, was sharply critical of its then-chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz for scheduling just six presidential debates during the 2016 primary election cycle. She later resigned her post as DNC vice chair to become one of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders' highest-profile supporters, aligning herself with his populist economic message.

Gabbard has staked out anti-interventionist foreign policy positions in Congress. Her 2017 meeting with Syrian dictator Bashar Al-Assad drew widespread criticism. "Initially, I hadn't planned on meeting him," Gabbard told CNN's Jake Tapper in January of 2017. "When the opportunity arose to meet with him, I did so because I felt it's important that if we profess to truly care about the Syrian people, about their suffering, then we've got to be able to meet with anyone that we need to if there is a possibility that we could achieve peace, and that's exactly what we talked about."

Gabbard joins a quickly growing field of Democrats eager to take on President Donald Trump for the presidency.
Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren announced on New Year's Eve that she was forming an exploratory committee for a presidential run. Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro also formed an exploratory committee and is expected to announce his 2020 plans Saturday.

A number of other potential Democratic candidates, including heavyweights like former Vice President Joe Biden and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, are currently weighing whether to run for president and are expected to announce their decision soon.
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Tulsi Gabbard would indeed be an interesting candidate. I would definitely prefer her to Trump and any other Republican candidate that I currently know anything about. I admire her position on a number of important issues. I also prefer her over a number of Democrat potential candidates, including Joe Biden and Cory Booker, both of which seem to me to be too beholden to the corrupting influence of some wealthy corporate donors.

I would definitely support a Bernie Sanders/Tulsi Gabbard ticket. There are a number of very impressive female candidates who are seriously considerin running for President. It is quite conceivable that we could wind up with a democrat ticket featuring two females, and even possible that the eventual Republican ticket could both be females.
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Tulsi Gabbard has so many weird, extremist positions on issues most people aren't even aware exist.
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Let's boot the white supremacist out of office by electing a Hindu supremacist! - some really good drugs, probably.
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EAllusion wrote:Tulsi Gabbard has so many weird, extremist positions on issues most people aren't even aware exist.


I know nothing about her...what are they?
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Markk wrote:
EAllusion wrote:Tulsi Gabbard has so many weird, extremist positions on issues most people aren't even aware exist.


I know nothing about her...what are they?


She’s taken pro-Assad positions on Syria.
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Markk wrote:
EAllusion wrote:Tulsi Gabbard has so many weird, extremist positions on issues most people aren't even aware exist.


I know nothing about her...what are they?


She's in bed with Hindu nationalism, which is roughly speaking the Indian equivalent to white nationalism. That's where her Islamophobic tendencies have a natural home, which itself is related to her support of Assad and extremely pro-Isreal stances. I'll find an article or two on some of her more out there views.
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