"No Collusion, No Collusion"

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Jersey Girl wrote:If memory serves, Giuliani was once a well respected attorney in New York City and his name carried great weight. He's obviously lost his touch.


He was always terrible. I view this more as a lesson on how frames of reference can change the perception of a person.
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Jersey Girl wrote:If memory serves, Giuliani was once a well respected attorney in NYC and his name carried great weight. He's obviously lost his touch.

He seems to be ok, he has a decent job and name recognition that still opens door and gets him press. I would be surprised if the majority of posters on this board ever held him with any high regard.
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subgenius wrote:he has a decent job and name recognition that still opens door and gets him press.


What shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world but loses his name recognition?

I mean, that's why our remote ancestors crawled laboriously out of the slime and took their first painful breaths? So that far far down the line one of their descendants could have a decent job and name recognition that opens doors and gets him press.

That's the best a man should hope for?
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subgenius wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:If memory serves, Giuliani was once a well respected attorney in NYC and his name carried great weight. He's obviously lost his touch.

He seems to be ok, he has a decent job and name recognition that still opens door and gets him press. I would be surprised if the majority of posters on this board ever held him with any high regard.


Or, indeed, if anyone anywhere did.
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Goya wrote:
subgenius wrote:Or, indeed, if anyone anywhere did.

Agreed. I thought he was swarmy when he paraded through wtc as if he was personally sweeping it up.
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EAllusion wrote:Washington Post has a fun video on the progressive watering down of denials coming out of the Trump camp:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... n-denials/


Chris Matthews nailed him dead to rights tonight when he found a clip of Rudy on Fox News saying there was no collusion between Russia and the Trump CAMPAIGN.
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I think one interesting aspect of the story is the dog that didn't bark.

What I mean is this: According to Trump, Manafort was with the campaign for a short period of time, and was not terribly important. Now if a man was with your campaign for a short period of time was caught giving your polling data to a foreign power, why isn't your first reaction shock and outrage that this act happened?

This week we get confirmation from an unredacted filing from Manafort's attorney that he was giving campaign data to Russians. Either Trump knew this happened or he didn't. The President and Giuliani have consistently denied any collusion. Now Manafort, a man Trump trusted to run his campaign, betrayed that trust by giving data to the Russians, and made a liar out of Trump and everyone else who claimed there was no collusion with the Trump campaign. Why aren't the President and Giuliani furious, I mean FURIOUS, with Paul Manafort?

If this is the first time they are hearing this news, where is the sense of betrayal? Remember this line from Trump's Inaugural Speech:

At the bedrock of our politics will be a total allegiance to the United States of America. Through our loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other.

And so the man who made that declaration at his Inaugural says nary a bad word about Manafort? Methinks he doth protesteth too little.
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Just another day in the life of drip drip drip...

https://Twitter.com/larryhanover/status ... 7332403200

Trump Associate Roger Stone Indicted In Mueller Investigation

The indictment alleges he spoke “to senior Trump Campaign officials” about WikiLeaks and “information it might have had that would be damaging” to the campaign of Trump’s Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton, in the summer before the election.

Stone was “contacted by senior Trump Campaign officials to inquire about future releases” by WikiLeaks, according to the indictment, which refers to WikiLeaks as “Organization 1.”
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Just a reminder for the Conservatives who don't read:

July 22nd 2016 a senior Trump Campaign official was directed to contact Roger Stone for more information about Wikileaks releasing additional damaging information regarding the Clinton Campaign.

► Roger Stone thereafter told the Trump Campaign about potential future releases.

► On July 27th candidate Trump looked directly at the camera and publicly asked Russia for their help in finding Hillary Clinton's 30,000 missing emails.

► Special Counsel Mueller's indictment against 12 Russian Intelligence Officers found that on or around July 27 2016 Russian hackers known as Guccifer 2.0 hacked the Clinton campaign.

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Markk or Exiled,

199 criminal charges. 37 INDICTMENTS. Six people from Trump's inner circle.

Are you starting to come around yet, or are you guys still entrenched on this issue?

- Doc

PS - I think Mueller picks off a couple more before getting to Kushner and possibly Ivanka.

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