Since when is being a white supremacist a bad thing?

[_ajax18]

Thanks, Ajax, but I don’t think you answered my question. You didn’t describe white culture. You described a geography based culture, of which there are many in America. What is “white culture” — the culture that you and I have in common by virtue of our whiteness?

Shared language, genetics, and legal history? Owning land and property rights were a foreign concept to native americans. You and i share christianity and being raised Mormon. But that's all i can come up with

[_EAllusion]

Shared language, genetics, and legal history?

Whiteness isn't defined by genetic similarity. Nonwhites can be more genetically similar to a white person than two white people can be to one another, in fact. How do you speak white? If you mean that languages spoken by white people are more similar to each other than languages spoken by nonwhites, this is so wrong it's a genuine mystery how you developed that belief.

Owning land and property rights were a foreign concept to native americans.

This is a long-debunked myth that was once upon a time used to justify expropriation of Native American property. Are you 115 years old? In any case, what does this have to do with anything? Do you think ownership is a white cultural concept?

You and i share christianity and being raised Mormon. But that's all i can come up with

Are either of those things inherently "white?" I got some news about Jesus that you might not be prepared to hear.

[_subgenius]

Shared language, genetics, and legal history?

Whiteness isn't defined by genetic similarity. …(snip)...

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[_Kevin Graham]

And yet i've travelled the world and have yet to find any other race or culture i would rather be. I'm grateful to have been been born poor and white in Appalachia.

You've never left your bubble long enough to appreciate other cultures. When I first moved to Germany, Spain and Brazil I absolutely hated both. But once you settle in a couple of years and appreciate the culture, things change. You're like every asshole American who visits Brazil for a short period and bitches about infrastructure and other stupid crap.

I'll seek to defend what my ancestors struggled to earn and pass on to me. I'm certainly not going to sit idly by as the lands of my nheritance are turned into a Latin American country by the same values and culture that made Latin America look the way it does today.

Funny, this argument is precisely why Mexicans have more rights to Texas and California than you're hillbilly ass ever will. You do realize the majority of cities and towns in the South West states are in Spanish for a reason, right?

[_ajax18]

Are either of those things inherently "white?" I got some news about Jesus that you might not be prepared to here.

Why are you not willing to talk about your religious beliefs and history with Mormonism.

[_ajax18]

Funny, this argument is precisely why Mexicans have more rights to Texas and California than you're hillbilly ass ever will. You do realize the majority of cities and towns in the South West states are in Spanish for a reason, right?

Kevin do you wish the western US still belonged to Mexico? In your mind does that mean Mexico would be rich now?

[_EAllusion]

Why are you not willing to talk about your religious beliefs and history with Mormonism.

Because I have extensively on this searchable public message board and you aren't an honest interlocutor?

[_Kevin Graham]

Funny, this argument is precisely why Mexicans have more rights to Texas and California than you're hillbilly ass ever will. You do realize the majority of cities and towns in the South West states are in Spanish for a reason, right?

Kevin do you wish the western US still belonged to Mexico? In your mind does that mean Mexico would be rich now?

What stupid questions. I'm pointing out that you hate Mexicans for feeling exactly as you do. You said it yourself. The history of your ancestors makes you feel entitled to something you did absolutely nothing to merit on your own.

But if Abraham Lincoln had had his way, the war with Mexico never would have happened because he said much of it was premised on false pretenses, and that would still be their country. No telling how rich they would be, but at the very least it means we wouldn't be nearly as rich as we are today without access to the west coast. There likely goes Hawaii and Alaska too. Geography is a huge reason the USA is as powerful as it is.

[_EAllusion]

The "idiot" story got approximately 5 times the coverage on cable news the Steve King story did in the same time frame:

The coverage of the latter was a forgettable blip. The former was a news cycle unto itself. If you are keeping track, calling the president a idiot is an actual forgettable blip, while a sitting Congressperson defending being a white supremacist is kind of a big deal.

[_Res Ipsa]

Thanks, Ajax, but I don’t think you answered my question. You didn’t describe white culture. You described a geography based culture, of which there are many in America. What is “white culture” — the culture that you and I have in common by virtue of our whiteness?

Shared language, genetics, and legal history? Owning land and property rights were a foreign concept to native americans. You and i share christianity and being raised Mormon. But that's all i can come up with

Okay, we share a language. But that language is spoken by lots of people who aren't white and lots of white folks speak languages that aren't English. I don't see the connection between whiteness and English. Genetics? At some level I'm genetically related to everyone. Legal history? I'm not sure what you mean, but it doesn't sound like it has anything to do with whiteness. Private property is a widespread notion, even among native groups, and has no specific connection with whiteness.

You and I don't, actually, share Christianity. And from my perspective, there are all sorts of different cultures within Christianity. Contrast a Catholic Service with an AME service. And lots of not white folks are Christians. Now, I do think it's possible to define a former Mormon culture or cultures, but, again, that really has no connection to whiteness. There are former Mormons all over the world in all varieties.

So this is where I get stuck when I try to parse through things you say about race. I see zero evidence of a "white culture." White folks in the U.S. may be part of different geographical or religious cultures. Where immigrants from a country settled together, they may hold onto culture from their homeland. (When I was growing up, there was a nearby town composed largely of dutch dairy farmers -- they generally had a culture that was different than ours.) But all those things are different cultures among different groups of white folks. The aren't "white culture."

So when I see folks referring to "white culture," it leads me to think that its a kind of code word for something else.

You mentioned God giving gifts to the races. Do you believe he gave the same gifts to all races? Or did he give different gifts to different races?