Green New Deal

[_canpakes]

well this explains why you're so confident in 2 senators and 1 proofreader ...

CFR. Lol. : )

And dunk that head of yours into something, already.

[_EAllusion]

well this explains why you're so confident in 2 senators and 1 proofreader ...

CFR. Lol. : )

And dunk that head of yours into something, already.

One hint that "unable or unwilling to work" was not the intended phrasing is that even if that's what you think, you wouldn't phrase it that way. That's the least attractive way to phrase that concept possible. Lots of people favor universal basic income. If you want your economic policy to include a universal income that people can have for economic security that naturally would be regardless of their ability or willingness to work, you wouldn't market it as a boon for the lazy. You'd emphasize the reasons why economists and others think UBI is good.

This has screw up written all over it, but if it's not, subgenius can very easily read the actual text of the actual resolution and show where there is a proposal that intends to provide economic security to those unwilling to work. Or he can just link the first thing that shows up on a Google Search, even if it's not the same thing, and condescendingly tell other people it's there. When it is pointed out that it isn't, he can claim they must've scrubbed it even though it isn't the same thing being referred to in the National Review article he plagiarized.

[_subgenius]

[_canpakes]

subs, what legislation is this tweet referring to? ; )

[_subgenius]

subs, what legislation is this tweet referring to? ; )

this thread isn't about any legislation, so I'm not sure what you're asking about.
clarify?

[_canpakes]

OK, so the tweet you posted refers only to your hair-fire imaginings.

[_ajax18]

https://www.cato.org/search#?cludoquery ... rtarianism

There are 18000+ results.

What wing, specifically, within Libertarian ideology, supports UBI? For example, does it have a name outside of sharing some sort of ideology with an economist?

- Doc

What I asked you to search was universal basic income to see articles like this:

https://www.cato.org/publications/comme ... se-or-cure

Regarding the name of the "wing" I referred to, the reason I said "wing" is that there is no universally agreed upon name. The problem here is that the term "libertarian" used to refer to mainly the subculture I'm referring to, but has associations with other libertarian subcultures with distinct views. Ayn Randian Objectivists are libertarians of a sort. So is the paleo crowd.

"Bleeding heart libertarians" refers to a subgroup of libertarians that I probably fit within that tend to place emphasis on programs of social uplift and/or desire reductions in government to come from programs with those aims last, not first. But when I talked about a "wing" I meant something broader than that. When I say phrases like "regular libertarians" and "CATO / Reason crowd" I am gesturing at that. I'm not sure what would satisfy you here. Libertarians who hold mainstream liberal views on economics (note: "liberal" here means what many people would call "conservative.")?

Gary Johnson, the libertarian candidate for President the last two cycles, is an example of that type of libertarian as is most serious libertarian thought that doesn't sound like it was written as part of a manifesto.

UBI has broad, but not universal support among those libertarians because libertarianism is not opposed to wealth redistribution by the government in principle. Again, total opposition to that is a radical view even within libertarianism. UBI is viewed as superior to some traditional forms of welfare because it gives greater autonomy over how to use the resources so people can reflect their true priorities in purchasing decisions, can be easily made fair in its distribution model, and is resistant to government manipulation of behavior through carrots and sticks because it is a universal income reimbursement. Because it's so straightforward, it's also relatively cheap to administer.

I personally favor a universal basic income that comes in the form of a weekly rebate that is progressively a larger share of a person's income as their income goes down to offset a consumption tax applied to the public. I'd like that consumption tax to replace some other forms of revenue generation by the government starting with corporate taxes. I would be Ok with that consumption being a hefty carbon tax, if and only if there are offsets in other government revenue streams and the regressiveness of it is removed via a UBI in rebate form.

Where libertarians and progressives into the UBI differ is that libertarians tend to see it as replacing most of the welfare state where as progressives see it as an addition to currently existing programs. I'd rather give you a pile of money that you can choose to buy food with or not. Progressives tend to be more paternalistic and would prefer to give you food credits that can only be spent on food to make sure that you are spending your resources on the right choices. I tend to view paternalism as only appropriate for the mentally disabled.

How do you help the children if their parents control the welfare money coming in but don't care about their children?

[_EAllusion]

How do you help the children if their parents control the welfare money coming in but don't care about their children?

Charge them with neglect and, if serious enough, rescind their parental rights? Parents are stewards of their children, not owners. This isn't any different than now.

[_subgenius]

OK, so the tweet you posted refers only to your hair-fire imaginings.

Nope, but it doesn't refer to any legislation just like how the OP doesn't refer to any legislation.
Do you need a primer on American Government? cause apparently ya do.

[_canpakes]

OK, so the tweet you posted refers only to your hair-fire imaginings.

Nope, but it doesn't refer to any legislation just like how the OP doesn't refer to any legislation.
Do you need a primer on American Government? cause apparently ya do.

I don’t think that this is the diversion that you think you’re making. Maybe you need to refer back to your opening post about this resolution:

Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) and Ed Markey (D., Mass.) introduced a Green New Deal bill Thursday ...

I know exactly where this is going. Do you? ; )

Enjoy your hair fire, in the meantime.