The Friendship Recession? Social Circles are Shrinking

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doubtingthomas wrote:
Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:33 pm
Doctor Steuss wrote:
Fri Nov 04, 2022 3:15 pm
Growing individualism and reduced sociability might lead to less partying (and hence less drinking), more computer gaming, and less autonomous living, while also diminishing the desire for sexual intercourse—at least the type of casual encounters captured in this analysis.
Please explain that.
It is saying that as a potential topic of further discussion or research, and not a specific finding of the analysis as presented, a reduced reliance and/or tendency towards social interactions might lead to a reduction in the specific type of casual sexual encounters that the study focused on.

I don't even know why this particular thing needs explaining though when you are using a study that isn't about friendships to extrapolate information about friendships.

You becoming increasingly emotionally unhinged probably isn't helping much with your already existing challenge at comprehension and information synthesis. Take a break, go for a walk, have a pancake.
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:53 pm
It is saying that as a potential topic of further discussion or research, and not a specific finding of the analysis as presented, a reduced reliance and/or tendency towards social interactions might lead to a reduction in the specific type of casual sexual encounters that the study focused on.
It's discussing the limitations of the study.

Here's what I originally said,
True, but can it also be the other way around? Having no friend might lead to more computer gaming. Similar to what this paper points out in the conclusion. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/1 ... 3121996854
Here's what you guys think I said:

"This Paper concludes that having no friends leads to more computer gaming".
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:20 pm
Then you quoted a snippet from the article that didn't say what you said. The relevant distinction is "feeling/being lonely" vs. "saying I feel/am lonely".
Again, I"m not a mind reader or a psychologist. When I said "women are more likely to feel lonely" I'm obviously talking about what women report or say.


And I did say,
women are still more likely to report feeling lonely.
Making a big issue about this and telling me I don't understand papers is pretty messed up, especially for someone who said that "loneliness is a feeling, there is no meaningful distinction between "feeling lonely" and "being lonely.""
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doubtingthomas wrote:
Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:51 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
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DT refers to this reverse causation as a conclusion of the study.
That's not true. Here's what I said,
doubtingthomas wrote:
Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:12 am

Read the fourth paragraph under Discussion and Conclusion.
The most effective way to lie is to tell only part of the truth. You also said:
DT wrote: ...similar to what this paper points out in the conclusion
DT wrote:That's literally what the paper says in the conclusion, almost word for word. ... Read the fourth paragraph under Discussion and Conclusion.
DT wrote:In other words, the study doesn't contradict anything I said, Read the fourth paragraph of the conclusion.
[boldling mine] That first entry was the first time you referenced the article.

Don't gaslight us, bro. :roll:
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:10 pm
The most effective way to lie is to tell only part of the truth. You also said:
Conclusion - "The last section of an academic essay is the conclusion."

You guys know damn well what I meant, I never said that was the conclusion, I said it was "in the conclusion".

Jesus Christ!
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:10 pm
DT wrote: ...similar to what this paper points out in the conclusion
DT wrote:That's literally what the paper says in the conclusion, almost word for word. ... Read the fourth paragraph under Discussion and Conclusion.
DT wrote:In other words, the study doesn't contradict anything I said, Read the fourth paragraph of the conclusion.
[boldling mine] That first entry was the first time you referenced the article.

Don't gaslight us, bro. :roll:

Conclusion - "The last section of an academic essay is the conclusion."

Stop being stupid, bro.
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doubtingthomas wrote:
Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:08 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:20 pm
Then you quoted a snippet from the article that didn't say what you said. The relevant distinction is "feeling/being lonely" vs. "saying I feel/am lonely".
Again, I"m not a mind reader or a psychologist. When I said "women are more likely to feel lonely" I'm obviously talking about what women report or say.


And I did say,
women are still more likely to report feeling lonely.
Making a big issue about this and telling me I don't understand papers is pretty messed up.
No, that's not obvious at all. Especially when the article specifically discusses the difference between what people feel and what people report/say they feel. And your later phrasing shows that you DO understand the difference between feeling lonely and reporting that you feel lonely.
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doubtingthomas wrote:
Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:53 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Nov 04, 2022 6:40 pm
Note that this is 100% non-responsive to what I said. My comment was about the effect of toxic culture in on-line gaming on the ability to form close friendships between adult men. It said nothing about the amount of time spent gaming.

That's another study and your taking that conclusion as gospel truth.
You know, if we were both 11, the might qualify as a "sick burn." But you're supposed to be a grown man who knows that "I am rubber, you are glue" is childish.

Here is my entire comment, which was made in response to the article you posted in the OP.
RI wrote:One of the things the article touches on but does not go into depth about is the changing nature of what it means for men to be "close friends." I'm not sure I would describe myself as having six "close friends" today, but that's due in part to a change in thinking of what it means to have close friends. Having no close friendships is, in my opinion, unhealthy. But it's not the quantity of friendships that matters, in my view, it's the quality. Online interactions, especially in gaming, may encourage behavior that works against forming close friendships.
The last sentence, which is what you are referring to, doesn't talk about a study at all. I have no idea what you are referring to when you say I'm talking about a "different study." I'm not citing a study for the opinions I express, let alone one I treat like the "gospel truth."

But your inaccurate statement is just an attempt to distract from the fact that you didn't bother to read and understand what I actually said.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:21 pm
No, that's not obvious at all. Especially when the article specifically discusses the difference between what people feel and what people report/say they feel. And your later phrasing shows that you DO understand the difference between feeling lonely and reporting that you feel lonely.
I was not very precise with my wording because the thread is not about gender studies. I was simply replying to the Marcus's childish comments.

And I didn't have to be very precise with my wording because the paper I shared does explain all of that.

Accusing me of not understanding the papers I share is a low blow. There's no need to make a big deal for my failure to mention the word "SAY"
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:29 pm

The last sentence, which is what you are referring to, doesn't talk about a study at all. I have no idea what you are referring to when you say I'm talking about a "different study." I'm not citing a study for the opinions I express, let alone one I treat like the "gospel truth."
Okay , I messed up there.

But can you admit that you messed up here?
Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:10 pm

The most effective way to lie is to tell only part of the truth. You also said:
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