Biden needs to step aside

[yellowstone123]

Thanks huckleberry for your response:

You think with Trump in office Russia would have invaded Ukraine? We will never really know because he lost the 2020 election. Do you believe those who cross the southern border are only political refugee's from Central and South America?

Hi Yellowstone. I am unsure what you are considering, I am unaware of a claim that everybody crossing the border are political refugees. There are all sorts of reasons. I have met a number of people who crossed. The ones I met came to work.

I think as you suggest I have no way to know what Putin would have done. I have played enough chess to know it is necessary to consider multiple possiblities. What would Trump have done? Threaten full scale US military involvement as in Iraq? I am not for that and I really do not think Trump would favor that course either. Would a bluff work. It is hard to see inside Putin head for that. I suspect not. The other possible course would make a Trump style deal. What could he offer in trade? Significant weakening of Nato would be a trade Putin would love to make and Trump wants that anyway. I think that would be an across the board weakening of Europe in favor of Putin power. After Nato was weakened what would stop Putin from restarting a delayed Ukrainian invasion? Not much.

Thanks Huckelberry. I actually wasn't even considering the NATO issue and Trump's view. I need to explore that more. I do think Trump wanted them to pay their share or something like that. That's interesting if Trump weakened NATO would Putin have invaded. But Putin took the Crimea and no one said anything except on how bad its was but nothing really concrete was done. I agree with you about immigration. I'm not sure how to solve the problem. The right has been saying it's now an open border with no screening. People smarter than I can argue if they help with the economy with paying prices and sales tax while here; if it off sets other costs they incur while here and not having a sponsor or job lined up when they cross. But then there appears to be a lot of attacks on immigrants by those who crossed with them and have no remorse and it's not just from gangs from south and central America. A recent article in the Orange County Register reported organized crime from Romania in Orange County preying on members of the immigrant community and those from Romania just walked across the border. Orange County DA was angry pointing at the border issue.

[Jersey Girl]

I admittedly played ostrich last night. I heard a snippet when I walked downstairs and that was it. Now I've seen clips.

Question: Where in the hell was this guy last night?

See Biden's fiery speech after shaky debate performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5CVZHAjrW8

Last night he looked like he didn't have the strength or capacity to light a match. Now he breaks out a blow torch?

[Morley]

He was far from my first choice, but I eventually backed Biden last time because it seemed that he might be the one who was best able to beat Trump. Part of his charm was that he hinted he might step back after one term and allow someone else to run.

Though I was disheartened when he decided to take on another term, I reluctantly accepted that Biden might be okay after his performance at the State of the Union, earlier this year. But after the debate last night, I don’t think there’s a chance in hell for him to win. And Trump in a second term is just too dangerous.

I may be, as Res suggests, a Chicken Little who is shouting that the sky is falling. Still, I’d be remiss to not mention these shards of sky I as I walk across them in my bare feet. I do think the sky is falling. I wish Biden would withdraw.

Should Biden not pull out, I would support him. I’d vote for a wet dishrag over Trump. But, dangerous as an open Democratic Convention would be, I think it would fare better than a continued Biden candidacy. Between now and November, this is not going to be his only slip. We’re in for a tough ride. I fear it will end in disaster.

[yellowstone123]

Here's a recent article about NATO and Trump:

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2 ... e-00165301

[huckelberry]

It has been a cliché for decades that Nixon lost the debate with Kennedy based upon tv appearance. I have been long offended as I, though rather young, watched and was happy with what Kennedy said and not much happy with Nixon. I have long believed Kennedy won on substance. I have been visually reminded a few times that Nixon looked a bit sour. I think he sounded that way as well.

The issue being we tend to be blind to our biases so we may believe we are being rational in our reactions that are often confabulated covers for our emotional or subconscious reaction to a thing. If you say you watched that debate, odds would be very high you found Kennedy the better candidate. Folks who read or listened favored Nixon. You can't say your opinion was not affected by watching the two men talk and it's important to come to terms with how our minds work for that very reason.

Honorentheos, You certainly are correct that we have biases. I have not liked Nixon for many decades. In fact it is only recently in comparison with Trump that I have been able to allow myself to confess Nixon was in ways ,and in comparison, a statesman and patriot. Agreeing with a particular debater sets up a fairly strong bias towards seeing that side as winning. I saw Kennedy as winning but that was not an impartial analysis of style and debate maneuver.

But I was setting up seeing the opposite possibility. Looking at the debate last night as two faces Biden did not win or draw. I think(I fear) the visual may be a strong influence. People are influenced by image, who looks stronger and more attractive. We have heard the words before those face images were new.

[honorentheos]

But, dangerous as an open Democratic Convention would be, I think it would fare better than a continued Biden candidacy.

Hey Morley,

Is the concern entirely that Biden will lose to Trump? Or do you have issues with the results of his first term as President?

[Moksha]

It has been a cliché for decades that Nixon lost the debate with Kennedy based on his TV appearance.

Nixon looked shifty because Nixon was shifty. That was before the Republican party officially endorsed criminality as a desired virtue.

[Kishkumen]

Biden has had an extremely successful presidency. What amazes me is that there is any talk about such a successful
incumbent stepping aside. All it tells me is that we are a shallow, silly people. Anyone who would want the disastrous presidency of Trump again as opposed to the successful Biden presidency is, frankly, a complete idiot. The only people who rejoice in Trump are the uninformed, the extremists, or the mega-wealthy doofuses.

But, we live in a time of madness, a time when an abject failure who behaves like a ten year old is viewed as a better choice than an experienced president during a booming economy, who just happens to be a few years older than the charlatan moron he is running against.

[Kishkumen]

I would add that all the talk of “genocide Joe” is also stupid. Trump would be much worse in every conceivable way, including Palestine.

On airplanes, they tell adults to mask themselves first before they help others. That’s our situation right now. Mask first=save our own Constitution. Mask others: worry about Palestine when the victory is secure. We can’t save Palestinians if we lose. Trump won’t save them.

[ajax18]

Why are you all so surprised to find out that BIden is actually senile and incompetent? Perhaps this is montage of mainstream media cilps singing the praises of Joe Biden from just a few weeks ago will explain why you are so surprised. It stars at 5:15

https://www.dailywire.com/episode/ep-1994