Assassination Attempt - Secret Service - DEI

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Gadianton wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:14 am
Trump will put unqualified loyalists in charge who won't hesitate to refuse to certify elections or investigate and prosecute Biden's family etc. Everything will be about cementing Trump's protection and power, and not fixing real problems. But he won't need to fix problems, he just needs to hype people up, just like J--D Vance always said.
We’d better hope Vance doesn’t get big ideas.
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Gadianton wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:42 am
They do. At least Christian Nationalists do. God killing people right-wingers don't like one way or another is something they understand very well and participate in, like, constantly.
Would this be anything like the Christians who viewed AIDS as God’s punishment for gay people for being gay?

Ugh.

OK. You have successfully called me to repentance. I hope Trump lives a long, long life incarcerated.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:42 am
Gadianton wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:14 am
Trump will put unqualified loyalists in charge who won't hesitate to refuse to certify elections or investigate and prosecute Biden's family etc. Everything will be about cementing Trump's protection and power, and not fixing real problems. But he won't need to fix problems, he just needs to hype people up, just like J--D Vance always said.
We’d better hope Vance doesn’t get big ideas.
Too late. Vance and the New Right are the smart, more nationalist version of what Trump is believed to be. Trump is a globalist masquerading as a populist. Vance is the real deal, a vet, smart, and strategic.
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Gadianton wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:10 am
From there, the questions become, was there incompetence? If so, were the women who were hired incompetent due to DEI or other factors?
Exactly this.

Do we hunt down the person responsible for the decision to not include coverage for that rooftop, and if this person is anyone other than a straight white male, then ask if DEI is the reason why that person made the decision that they did? But how will you even prove such a thing? What is the mechanism that determines this and also rules out the possibility that any other person not deemed a ‘DEI hire’ would or could not have made the same decision from simple poor judgment?

How does anyone giving a minute’s thought to this question not understand that the desire to blame DEI as the starting point of a ‘investigation’ presents significant issues?
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Bonus points to the Secret Service for doing the best they could do with the personnel they had and the task they had been given. Double bonus points to the female Secret Service Agent that was trying to holster her pistol. Today the media are showing a closeup of her when other agents were pushing Donald Trump into the SUV and driving away from the area. I looked very close and thought Wow! Way to go. During this whole stressful time you kept your trigger finger on the slide. That takes discipline. Good job. I hope you get something in your file that says you did an exemplary job.
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honorentheos wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:46 am
Too late. Vance and the New Right are the smart, more nationalist version of what Trump is believed to be. Trump is a globalist masquerading as a populist. Vance is the real deal, a vet, smart, and strategic.
You’re probably right about that.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
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canpakes wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:55 am
Exactly this.

Do we hunt down the person responsible for the decision to not include coverage for that rooftop, and if this person is anyone other than a straight white male, then ask if DEI is the reason why that person made the decision that they did? But how will you even prove such a thing? What is the mechanism that determines this and also rules out the possibility that any other person not deemed a ‘DEI hire’ would or could not have made the same decision from simple poor judgment?

How does anyone giving a minute’s thought to this question not understand that the desire to blame DEI as the starting point of a ‘investigation’ presents significant issues?
But . . . But . . . But . . . DEI! It causes banks to fail! The rivers to dry up! The heavens to mourn!!!
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
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ceeboo wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2024 5:42 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2024 5:30 pm
DEI has become the MAGA boogeyman for everything that goes wrong today.
BS!
It's pure grievance theater.
BS!
Attacking DEI every time a woman or a male POC makes a mistake is 100% racist and sexist.
Complete and utter BS!
Hi, Ceebs. I’ll just start posting references and you can tell me when to stop.

First, for important context, meet Chris Rufo.

https://flux.community/samuel-hoadley-b ... rstand-it/

He is the originator and architect of the right-wing hysteria over Critical Race Theory and DEI. The result so far has been a massive use of government power to take away freedom of speech. Note his own cynical description of his project:
We have successfully frozen their brand — ‘critical race theory’ — into the public conversation and are steadily driving up negative perceptions. We will eventually turn it toxic, as we put all of the various cultural insanities under that brand category,” he wrote. “The goal is to have the public read something crazy in the newspaper and immediately think ‘critical race theory.’ We have decodified the term and will recodify it to annex the entire range of cultural constructions that are unpopular with Americans.”
He also has a strained relationship with the truth:

https://flux.community/samuel-hoadley-b ... rstand-it/

Now let’s get to the right’s attack on the DEI boogeyman:

Here is an article about the political context in which you raised the question about DEI: https://apple.news/ASRI1EDe0SWu5vqvovhXf9g

and https://www.washingtonpost.com/technolo ... n-attempt/

Here are articles in general about the right’s war on DEI:

https://thefulcrum.us/inclusion-diversity/dei-meaning

https://amp.theguardian.com/culture/202 ... -baltimore
DEI is their catchall for everything that feels unfair or uncomfortable for White Americans. It’s also used as a pejorative for Black officials deemed unqualified or a quota choice: Kamala Harris is labeled a “DEI vice president.” Both the governor of Maryland and the mayor of Baltimore are criticized as DEIs in office. Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson was accused of being an affirmative action appointment, seating DEI on the Supreme Court.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... -politics/

https://www.wired.com/story/right-wing- ... -shooting/

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... 44885/amp/

https://www.salon.com/2024/07/16/very-c ... pt--women/

https://armedservices.house.gov/news/pr ... n-policies

https://www.vox.com/24010858/republican ... h-students

So, DEI caused Trump getting shot, defects in the 737 Max, antisemitism, a bridge collapse, and military unreadiness. That’s just few articles that address the issue. In my reading, I’ve come across dozens of statements blaming some perceived problem in business or government reflexively blamed on being distracted from the mission by DEI or incompetent DEI hires.

I’ve googled enough for one night. I’ll try to remember to add references as I stumble across them in my reading.
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"DEI means D.I.E". ~ Cory Mills

Time stamped:

TOTAL CHAOS Erupts at Day 2 of Trump’s Republican Convention
https://youtu.be/rxWlFkXXOyE?t=319

More commentary about DEI before and after the above link by Mills and Ron Johnson.
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ceeboo wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2024 4:45 pm
In this thread, I wanted to consider what effects, if any, the Secret Service's DEI program has had on the organization.
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