The Real Reason why Trump won

[Vēritās]

For me, I don't think Trump won so much, as the "left" (not Kamala) lost. Trump's base had/has optimism, while the left was just playing defense to a very poor set of candidates, Biden then Harris, while not managing the country or foreign affairs. Denying Bidens health up until it was beyond obvious was the largest mistake. And Harris has absolutely no charisma, personality, or the ability to at least pretend to have a plan to straighten out obvious problems that are building up in our country.

The left will have four years to bash Trump every day, but unless they get a candidate that can excite the moderate base, and if Trump does not screw up too bad, and the economy does not tank and the markets corrects its self....they won't beat Vance.

I also hope we all agree we don't need a war. And, I have to add it is beyond me why Biden allowed the Ukraine to fire our missiles into Russia, and I wonder who made that call at this time. If they are allowing him in his mental decline, that is not good. I hope they see something we can't see.

My two cents.

Americans want to be entertained these days. Traditionally, the US President was expected to exemplify dignity, respect, honesty, high moral character, strong integrity, etc. But that no longer exists in this new age of Trumpism. This is thanks to Right Wing Media assuring anyone who will listen that at the end of the day, all that matters if voting Republican.

Sam Harris was right. Trump is not ideological. Trump is a transactional figure who only cares about what's best for Trump. IF Democrats wanted to shower him with praise and affection he would probably do anything they ask, but the Left tends to have people who actually stand for things. The Right is willing to sell their own souls for a 10 minute dance in the limelight. Think of Ted Cruz, Vance, Rubio, etc. The list of Republicans who thought Trump was the devil just a few years ago, are now licking his boots because they want a seat at the table of power. Trump was marketed to Americans for a decade on a highly rated reality show called the Apprentice, and that alone drew people to like him as an entertainer. Because Trump was the candidate and he was guilty of everything they traditionally tried to pin on Democrats (crime, dishonest, adultery, moral depravity, unChristian behavior, etc) the Right Wing propaganda outlets started pushing this idea that everyone else was "establishment" and that's bad, and that Trump is an outsider, and that's good. All of his heinous crimes and immoral behavior suddenly no longer mattered because they understood Trump could never win using the same standard they applied to Democrats. Because all that matters to FOX is playing King Maker, and saying it is all a double standard doesn't even do justice to the level of depravity we've seen in today's media.


Right now I think Mark Cuban should run in 2028 and I think he would win easily against whomever the Republicans decide to run.

Mark Cuban is a beloved figure who is also an entertainer who has been on a popular reality show for more than a decade now, and he is actually everything Trump only pretends to be. Namely, a self made millionaire who actually has principles and stand for things.

Trump has shown himself to be all about Trump, and nothing more. People like Elon Musk understand this, and the opportunity to suck up to him so they can shape policy that would make them even richer.

[Vēritās]

For me, I don't think Trump won so much, as the "left" (not Kamala) lost.

We as a nation lost because more than 60% of eligible voters decided to sit this one out.

Trump's base had/has optimism, while the left was just playing defense to a very poor set of candidates, Biden then Harris, while not managing the country or foreign affairs.

Please don't go there. Poor candidates? Biden and Kamala were infinitely superior to Trump on every issue imaginable. Name me literally one thing Trump could campaign on that wasn't some silly culture war issue? Most of his adds were about fearmongering over transgender issues and then lying about Kamala's role in it. People voting for Trump actually are dumb enough to believe that surgeries for inmates is something that never happened under Trump, and was a program recently created by Biden/Harris. This was their #1 go to campaign ad. And then there was the appeal to economic suffering, which is an illusion. As if inflation wasn't already happening or even predicted to get worse before the 2020 election.

Denying Bidens health up until it was beyond obvious was the largest mistake.

This is based on what? Repeated claims by Joe Rogan and other right wing figures? You folks wailed and moaned about Biden needing to drop out, and so when he did, you complained because he dropped out. And Biden's "obvious health issues" were only obvious to those watching Right wing media prior to the debate. Biden was regularly addressing crowds and answering questions without going off on rants about Hannibal Lecter or performing oral sex on a microphone. Trump is notoriously dimwitted and cannot answer a straight question to save his own life. The examples of Trump failing to answer a straight question while derailing into incoherent word salads is very long and you should know this. But like I said, there is a double standard and Trump is immune from all of the things the Right wants to call "disqualifying" when they think they can pin it on a Democrat.

And Harris has absolutely no charisma, personality, or the ability to at least pretend to have a plan to straighten out obvious problems that are building up in our country.

Again, the double standard. What is Trump's plan? After weeks of FOX News lying about Kamala not having any plans, Trump goes on live television and says he only has "concepts" of plans, but no details. And of course, you're good with that because.... double standard.

The left will have four years to bash Trump every day, but unless they get a candidate that can excite the moderate base, and if Trump does not screw up too bad, and the economy does not tank and the markets corrects its self....they won't beat Vance.

The guy who said Trump was a Nazi just recently? Yeah, like I said, Americans care nothing for integrity anymore.

I also hope we all agree we don't need a war. And, I have to add it is beyond me why Biden allowed the Ukraine to fire our missiles into Russia, and I wonder who made that call at this time. If they are allowing him in his mental decline, that is not good. I hope they see something we can't see.

You speak as if Biden is in charge of the war and not our generals. You speak as if we started this war and not Russia. You speak as if we are the ones at war, and not Ukraine. We're helping Ukraine defend itself along with a dozen other countries. You speak as if Russia isn't on the verge of losing this war and this was all for naught. How many years did it take for us to win the Cold War with Russia? Russia's losses are staggering, and they're on the verge of losing much more than their overhyped military. Republicans didn't like it when leftists were playing armchair general and military analysts from video footage of the war in Iraq, but they'll gladly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeRHpyoX8YM

[Dr Exiled]

So what you're saying is we're a nation of morons?

A record 80 million Americans are expected to travel for the holidays, and yet just a few weeks ago they were pretending they couldn't afford eggs.

No, I'll leave the name-calling to you. Economics is a lot about perception and perhaps the Trump campaign was successful in the perception campaign. While prices definitely increased, wages have as well, but so has debt and it looks like insiders are selling instead of buying on Wall Street and that could be an ominous sign of a correction coming. The rise in rates has slowed real estate in Nevada. My golfing buddies in the industry are recalibrating, especially with the NAR settlement regarding buyer broker commissions. How is it in your neck of the woods?

So, you left out the MMA picture, the allusion to the Trump campaign's push toward masculinity, having Dana White prominently at the rallies and going on Joe Rogan and other podcasts males like. What do you think of that? In a close election, that could have had a big impact and I think it did.

[Markk]

You speak as if Biden is in charge of the war and not our generals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeRHpyoX8YM

I'll start here...

He is the Commander and Chief of all Armed Forces. It is written in the Constitution. The Chain of command starts or ends with the President. My point, in part, is that he is supposed to be in charge of all war efforts, including proxy wars like we are currently funding in the Ukraine.

If your understanding is that the President is not in charge of the war, then I suppose we might be in agreement to the degree he is not mentally capable to manage his duties as Commander and Chief of the armed forces, given his decline.

You speak as if we started this war and not Russia.

How so? Please point to where I said anything of the sorts that we started the war.

You speak as if we are the ones at war, and not Ukraine.

This is what I wrote..."I also hope we all agree we don't need a war. And, I have to add it is beyond me why Biden allowed the Ukraine to fire our missiles into Russia, and I wonder who made that call at this time. If they are allowing him in his mental decline, that is not good. I hope they see something we can't see."

If anything, I stated we don't need to go to war, but I assume you do understand we are in a proxy war, funding a huge part of the Ukrainian war effort, with certain restrictions in place.

You speak as if Russia isn't on the verge of losing this war and this was all for naught.

Again, read what I wrote. I never said who is on the verge of winning anything. Russia if they had the political will, could take the Ukraine out very easily. Just like we could have taken out NVN, or Afghanistan. Which lends to my point that I hope undoing the restrictions on sending US made missiles into Russia was thought out, and not just a F-U to Trump. And again, I hope that we can agree on that.

If Russia loses it will because of political recourse. My guess is the Ukraine will need to lose some of their country. I hope not.

How many years did it take for us to win the Cold War with Russia?

Technically one could argue we are still in a cold war, even if a new one. We have had, and still have installations strategically all over the world to check Nations like Russia, China, and North Korea. Today, we have over 30 in Germany alone. We deeply fund NATO which was a treaty signed a few years after war end, to counter Soviet Aggressions. One could ask the question as to why we need NATO, if the cold war was truly over and there was no Russian threat.

Republicans didn't like it when leftists were playing armchair general and military analysts from video footage of the war in Iraq, but they'll gladly.

The first rule in reporting on a war, is that propaganda is everywhere. In many cases in a political war the #1 weapon. Perception win's political will. And with the advent of the internet and social media one needs to be very careful what we conclude.

[Vēritās]

He is the Commander and Chief of all Armed Forces. It is written in the Constitution. The Chain of command starts or ends with the President. My point, in part, is that he is supposed to be in charge of all war efforts, including proxy wars like we are currently funding in the Ukraine.

If your understanding is that the President is not in charge of the war, then I suppose we might be in agreement to the degree he is not mentally capable to manage his duties as Commander and Chief of the armed forces, given his decline.

Presidents oversee and approve of military action, but that is about it. The actual strategies and battles are planned and conducted by higher military officials.

I assume you do understand we are in a proxy war, funding a huge part of the Ukrainian war effort, with certain restrictions in place.

We were also in a proxy war with Russia and defeated them decisively when we provided the Afghans with military support. I seem to remember how that turned out. Do you?

Back then, we tried to hide the fact that we were supporting the Afghans because we were afraid of WWIII. But that turned out to be a bogus fear, and the fact that we're supporting Ukraine is right there out in the open. It is common knowledge so what's the point of trying to pretend like we aren't hurting Russia? If Trump were President and doing the same thing, you folks would be applauding him as the new Reagan.

Russia if they had the political will, could take the Ukraine out very easily. Just like we could have taken out NVN, or Afghanistan. Which lends to my point that I hope undoing the restrictions on sending US made missiles into Russia was thought out, and not just a F-U to Trump. And again, I hope that we can agree on that.

I think it is silly to suggest Biden's strategy in Ukraine has anything to do with trying to hurt Trump's feelings.

[canpakes]

So, you left out the MMA picture, the allusion to the Trump campaign's push toward masculinity, having Dana White prominently at the rallies and going on Joe Rogan and other podcasts males like. What do you think of that? In a close election, that could have had a big impact and I think it did.

It’s amazing that this is even a talking point. We defeated the Axis powers in WWII under the leadership of a man in a wheelchair.

If we, as a nation, need to believe that ‘masculinity’ is a requirement for leadership, and then believe that a soft, pale, sexual abuser who relies on orange makeup is our symbol of masculinity because he bullies people on social media media, then we are truly a nation headed into the real-life example of Idiocracy.

[ajax18]

It is a war of messaging and the Right wins because it dominates the blogs, the airwaves, the internet with nonstop BS. I remember reading somewhere that 8 of the top 10 online podcasts are all Right Wing propaganda like Carlson Owens, Bogino, etc.

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You had the big money. You spent $1.2 billion on this presidential campaign. How much did Republicans spend? Are you not smarter than a bunch of people you believe to be low IQ morons? You're certainly wealthier and attended what were once more prestigious universities. Do you think there was a better candidate than Kamala Harris out there?

How do you explain the fact that Trump did better with black and hispanics than any Republican candidate in modern history? He did better than the refuse to enforce the border Bush family. He did better than centrists like Obamacare McCain and AntiTrump Romney. You see where compromising their principles and moving to the middle got them. They both were just losers. Barack Obama and Bill Clinton, the master messengers themselves came out and campaigned for Kamala and Joe both and you were still soundly defeated by a man you think to be an idiot and a buffoon and his growing basket of deplorables. It wasn't the messenger's fault. It was your message that failed because you were fact checked every time people went to the grocery store.

[ajax18]

Trump is a transactional figure who only cares about what's best for Trump.

Really? Running for President nearly bankrupted him, got him shot, swatted, and he still may be locked up for life if Bragg and Jack Smith decide to restart the criminal cases and sentencings when he leaves office in 2028. If all he wanted were to play golf, he could have just kept his views on illegal immigration and the swamp to himself and not a single criminal or civil lawsuit would have been brought against him.

[ajax18]

Which lends to my point that I hope undoing the restrictions on sending US made missiles into Russia was thought out, and not just a F-U to Trump.

This may not turn out to be a bad thing for America whether Biden intends it or not. This could give Trump more leverage with Putin in negotiating a peace settlement. Democrats failed the American taxpayer again in that they could have brokered a similar peace deal less than a month after Putin invaded Ukraine avoiding unnecessary deaths and property destruction. But this assumes that Democrat elites are putting the interests of the American taxpayer first, which they never have had any interest in doing.

One of the beautiful things about faith is the belief that God really can turn even the most unfortunate events for the ultimate good of those willing to put their trust in Him. Not even the 2024 election is sweeter than that.

[yellowstone123]

Canpakes wrote:

It’s amazing that this is even a talking point. We defeated the Axis powers in WWII under the leadership of a man in a wheelchair.

I’m sure one can read that FDR did not mobilize the US Military when in September, 1939 the German military attacked Gdansk (Danzig) Poland which set off World War 2 which killed fifty-million people mostly the young and old, those who didn’t have a dog in the fight.

We saw what Hitler was doing in the mid to late 1930s when their pilots were playing real war games with their Messerschmitt 109s in the Spanish Civil war but we didn’t do anything; we didn’t prepare for war.

FDR did nothing when in 1938 when the State of Czechoslovakia was carved up by three neighboring countries.

Did FDR mobilize the US Military when in 1937 the Japanese military murdered 100,000 military and political prisoners and raped tens of thousands of women in Nanking, China? No, that didn’t happen.

The USA tried economic sanctions on Japan but they just attacked another peaceful land to rob and steal those things that the USA wouldn’t sell them.

While in a wheelchair FDR did find time to have affairs. He also found time to sign an executive order which resulted in the incarceration 120,000 Americans without trial.

https://www.fdrlibrary.org/executive-order-9066

Were many other things done? Of course. It’s never as simple as we write.

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/a ... arl-harbor