The Trump Criminal Case MEGATHREAD.

[Res Ipsa]

Is it really appropriate for someone awaiting trial to be running for president of the country?

I'm not a biden or Trump fan and I don't know what your policies are. As an outsider. Purely based on this stated, I find it odd that someone can be facing court and being charged with criminal behaviour and still be trying to run the country?

There are lesser roles that wouldn't consider a person for the job with a pending sentencing.

When Biden wins congress will make a law that says a convicted felon or perhaps even anyone guilty of a misdemeanor cannot run for president. This is a pivotal moment in becoming a one party Democrat totatlitarian state. Now all Democrats have to do is find a liberal district, judge, jury to idict, charge, and convict whoever the next Republican candidate happens to be. That's the amount of power a corrupt politically partisan judge has to make felony charges and get a conviction out of nothing. There's no more need to rig or ballot harvest because elections mean nothing more here than they do in Russia right now.

BS. Ajax, the qualifications for president are set by the Constitution. Your guy is the one who tried to make Biden's election mean nothing by conspiring to ignore the will of the voters and whipping up a mob to threaten and intimidate Congress and and Vice President into violating their Constitutional duties. Your guys are the ones who are desperately trying to change the rules to install permanent one part rule by a minority of voters. Every accusation is a confession.

[Some Schmo]

The GOP sycophants seem to have only one strategy. They hear what everyone is saying about them and basically respond, "I know you are but what am I?"

People are rightly concerned about Trump turning America into a dictatorship, so naturally, that's what the right will accuse the left of wanting to do.

That is the extent of their debating skills. They are children.

[Res Ipsa]

Agreed.

I disagree. Trump will be going to jail or at least restricted to home confinement. He'll get no appeal until after the election. They have to keep him from doing rallies if they want any chance. I know Ben Shapiro contends that if Trump were to stay in his basement a la Joe Biden and make the election about Biden, he'd win. I think in spite of the polls BIden has this election locked up. It's been arranged. Regardless of what the vote count turns out to be, the left will never allow Trump to be president. They have no moral inhibitions about doing this through nondemocratic totalitarian means. This should also help keep Biden from having to debate Trump, which isn't really a bad thing for Republicans. Debates before partisan moderators do more harm for conservatives than good.

And while Republicans talk about this setting a bad precedent, Democrats have no need to worry about being held to the same standards. Republicans are completely inept politically when it comes to these things and they're powerless to ever impose a single standard of justice. They've failed at impeaching Biden and everything else. Most uniparty Republicans like Mcconnel haven't even spoken out against this. The left is safe and unencumbered by issues like fairness.

The court rules govern when Trump can appeal. The trial judge cannot change those rules. His rallies attract many, many fewer people than they did four years ago. He tells the same lie at each one about how many people are in the crowed and long lines of people waiting to get in. At his rally in New Jersey, people started walking out in the middle of his speech. Why? Because he's a one trick pony. You can only get away with pissing on people and telling them its raining for so long. He's an old, tired carnival barker whose losing his marbles.

I don't think Biden is a lock. But you're right about the current polls. Right now, the polls are of registered voters. As we approach the election, pollsters will switch to likely voters. Breakdowns in recent polling shows that Biden leads among high information voters with a history of voting. Trump has a sizable lead among low-information people who generally don't vote.

The right wing media has been lying to its consumers about the state of thee economy for months. That's why Biden challenged Trump to a debate in June -- to start showing right-wing voters that Trump and his mouthpiece media outlets have been lying to them about the economy. He won't convinced die-hard biased true believers like you, but there aren't enough of you to win an election. Tough. There aren't enough of me to win an election either. Maybe the not extremist conservatives will find their balls and kick you extremists to the curb, where you can whine all you want but the government is freed up to take care of business instead of the R's preening for the cameras and conducting show investigations where they lie about the evidence for months, and then fail to take action because there actually is no evidence.

[Doctor Steuss]

Agreed.

I disagree. Trump will be going to jail or at least restricted to home confinement.

The judge has already shown Trump exceptionally special treatment in how his multiple violations of court orders were handled. I doubt that now he'll go full-on deep state paranoid MAGA fever dream.

Incidentally, if it is home confinement, he'd likely still be able to campaign, as that's essentially a "work" duty. All-in-all, the person who will likely wield the most power will be his probation officer. Maybe he'll lose the lottery in the PO draw, and get a hard-ass that will require advanced notice, and approval for anything and everything. My guess is that it'll likely be someone who is annoyed that they got assigned someone complicated and high profile, and will always try for the path of least resistance to save their own sanity. In other words, other than the inconvenience, it'll be business as usual for MAGA's god-emperor.

[Gadianton]

If prosecuting a president is a death sentence in the polls, then right-wingers would quit their obsession with the crimes of Hunter and Joe. The logic of the right-wing, their own obsession with locking up Hillary and Joe would be self-defeating, yet they continue, vowing their own unprecedented witch hunts if they win. Even Dr. E. who claims neutrality seems to see a huge breakdown in justice over prosecuting Trump, but seemed to have no reservations whatsoever prosecuting Joe. He linked to a very long document a while back that supposedly outlined the crimes of the Biden family and seemed enthusiastic that there was something there for the house committee to work with. The document was unreadable to me, I spent about two hours trying to understand it however, while Dr. E never returned with his own assessment.

I could be wrong, but my impression is that Dr. E sees the need to overturn every possible stone in the case of Joe, but hesitant to overturn any stone in the case of Trump. What am I missing?

I do think it's risky to prosecute Trump, and I don't know if his convictions will help or hurt him in the polls or worsen a trend of legal wars where Republicans have the ultimate say because they've got the Supreme Court.

The problem I see is that people tend to worry about imbalance of power. Isn't that why the party who wins the presidency loses the Senate? And even if people fully believe that Trump is guilty, some may worry about him being convicted anyway because he is one party's guy, the main guy, and shutting him down may significantly shift more power to Democrats than they feel comfortable with. Going against that would be the Supreme Court overturning Roe. But still, even neutral people will be worried this will leave a power vacuum and may give Democrats too much of an advantage, even if they know he's guilty.

This is basically a major zero sum gamble that will escalate and it will either be a sigh of relief by this time next year, or pretty close to civil war.

[Manetho]

It's remarkable to me that anyone believes this conviction is political...

I'm going to actually agree with Ajax and Dr. Exiled on a couple of things. This should never have happened, and it only happened because Trump became a political figure.

It should never have happened because fraud was Trump's business model for decades. He should have been prosecuted and his reputation destroyed years before 2016. But the abuses of power during his presidency caused people to take a closer look at all his misdeeds. Better late than never.

[Doctor Steuss]

Looks like Trump's lawyers might actually get paid. So, he's not only managed to win the popular vote at something, but he'll pay people who did work for him instead of stealing from them.

Exciting times for the stable genius. Based off of this, and his tax returns, it looks like he's better at being a felon than a businessman. Maybe he should switch up his campaign shtick to run the country like a businessman, and instead say he'll run it like a felon.

The Trump campaign said Friday it nearly doubled its single-day fundraising record after a New York jury found Donald Trump guilty in his criminal hush money trial.

The Republican’s campaign said it raised $34.8 million from small-dollar donors in less than seven hours following the historic verdict Thursday afternoon that convicted the former president of 34 counts of falsifying business records.

Nearly 30% of those donors were brand new to the Trump donation site WinRed, senior campaign advisors Chris LaCivita and Susie Wiles said in a press release.

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[Kishkumen]

I do think it's risky to prosecute Trump, and I don't know if his convictions will help or hurt him in the polls or worsen a trend of legal wars where Republicans have the ultimate say because they've got the Supreme Court.

That has been a concern of mine. Democrats need to expand the Supreme Court. The Republican majority is partly a stolen one.

[Some Schmo]

It's remarkable to me that anyone believes this conviction is political...

I'm going to actually agree with Ajax and Dr. Exiled on a couple of things. This should never have happened, and it only happened because Trump became a political figure.

It should never have happened because fraud was Trump's business model for decades. He should have been prosecuted and his reputation destroyed years before 2016. But the abuses of power during his presidency caused people to take a closer look at all his misdeeds. Better late than never.

I agree that he should have been nailed years ago, but Trump being a politician does not make his conviction political. Even if the motivation to indict was political (dubious), the prosecution still had to present evidence and convince a jury. It worked because he's guilty.

The GOP has attempted their own version of political persecution just recently, and the damned dummies are so stupid, they forgot they need evidence, so they failed. Facts actually do make a difference.

[Doctor Steuss]

In my opinion, every single case where a DA is an elected position, is ultimately political. They are literally government employees, democratically elected to their positions. That is political by default. They are beholden not just to the law, but to the constituents who placed them in their position. Even when it's a US Attorney that was appointed/hired, they have someone higher up in the food chain who is elected, and there's an underlying political motivation ("tough on crime," etc.).

Democrat Bob Menendez... political.
Democrat Henry Cuellar... political.

That there's a (conscious?) political motivation behind the decisions of which criminal cases to pursue, and which cases to ignore, doesn't somehow make the jury selection process, or the evidence, or every other aspect of a trial null-and-void. What MAGA is inadvertently doing is telling on themselves that they are incapable of acting ethically when there's a political component to something, so they assume everyone is the same way.

Maybe in the MAGA world, Menendez and Cuellar are actually closet Republicans being punished by the Biden Crime Family Deep State (copywrite, all rights reserved) for not being leftist liberal socialist marxist communist enough?