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Chap wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2026 10:48 am
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The Trump admin just killed an Iranian two-year-old today because they didn’t want to release the Epstein files.
I regret to have to say that after a couple of years of this US administration, I don't find that at all incredible.

But please could you flesh that statement out somewhat - maybe a link to a reliable source?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c74gwdzywmeo

Reports so far say the victim was a two-year-old child who was killed along with both parents, making the three murders a single family in a residential building in the Chah Tangu area of Qeshm Island. Two other children were reportedly injured in the same strike.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2026 4:14 pm
Chap wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2026 10:48 am
I regret to have to say that after a couple of years of this US administration, I don't find that at all incredible.

But please could you flesh that statement out somewhat - maybe a link to a reliable source?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c74gwdzywmeo

Reports so far say the victim was a two-year-old child who was killed along with both parents, making the three murders a single family in a residential building in the Chah Tangu area of Qeshm Island. Two other children were reportedly injured in the same strike.
Thanks. While I can hardly say "that's nice to know", it does form part of a consistent picture of the waste of very expensive and increasingly scarce US weaponry to achieve ... what? Something for Trump to write about on Truth Social when he is bored in the wee hours?
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I don’t believe Trump thinks much of anything. He has impulses and desires, but he’s a shrewd, paranoid stream of consciousness narcissist who is just voracious. Baron Harkonnen from the book Dune is the closest anyone will come to understanding Trump.
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Speaking of civilian murders committed by the administration:

https://www.propublica.org/article/trum ... casualties

The article is a must-read if anyone wants to understand the background of the civilian harm mitigation and response (CHMR) program, and why the Trump administration and DefSec Hegseth gutted the workforce by 90% and defunded it.

Additionally, they shuttered the Civilian Protection Center of Excellence as it exists only on paper now because formal closure requires congressional approval. In other words, Kegsbreath sidelined the legally required CHMR program to emphasize maximum combat lethality.

That family and those school girls could’ve lived had this administration hadn’t fired the people whose job was to ensure their survival.
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We can add stolen valor to the list:

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2026 1:25 pm
We can add stolen valor to the list:
God almighty - how can anyone let him do this?

Notice that he has given himself a lot more medal ribbons than the two real heroes in the picture.
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Chap wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2026 4:52 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2026 1:25 pm
We can add stolen valor to the list:
God almighty - how can anyone let him do this?

Notice that he has given himself a lot more medal ribbons than the two real heroes in the picture.
It makes the morons happy. The truth sucks when you can happily delude yourself with BS. That's the MAGAte way.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2026 1:25 pm
We can add stolen valor to the list:

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Wow. So he earned all those commendations during his time in service with 5 deferments to avoid military service.

Also he's out of uniform.

And out of his mind.
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Why isn't Trump attacking Iran nowadays, despite the constant threats?

Because he has now fired off a large proportion of the weapons US forces need to defend themselves, as well as attack enemies other than Iran, who are looking on with increasingly broad grins as the US becomes an easier target and a considerably less formidable adversary.

And what, pray, has Trump achieved?

B****r all. In fact he has simply made the whole situation a lot worse than it was before he tore up the Obama deal, simply because he hated Obama. In the preamble to the Obama deal, Iran agreed to international inspection of its nuclear facilities, and said it would never seek to acquire or develop a nuclear weapon. Yup, go and read it here:

https://2009-2017.state.gov/documents/o ... 245317.pdf
PREAMBLE AND GENERAL PROVISIONS

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iii Iran reaffirms that under no circumstances will Iran ever seek, develop or acquire any nuclear weapons.
And the Strait of Hormuz was open, and nobody was even thinking of closing it.

All that has gone. In return Trump has gained NOTHING AT ALL. And he has catastrophically run down the US arsenal. Is that what you wanted, Trump supporters? Well, it's what you got. Enjoy

See this, in the Washington Post:

Trump, Hegseth clashed at Camp David over Iran missile depletion concerns
At a Camp David summit this weekend, President Trump demanded answers from Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth over extreme munitions shortages.

August 6, 2026 at 3:29 a.m. EDTToday at 3:29 a.m. EDT
The exchange last week at Camp David underscored President Donald Trump’s increasing frustration with Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, who was one of the biggest early advocates for taking military action against Iran. (Daniel Heuer/Reuters)
By Tara Copp, Natalie Allison and Noah Robertson

President Donald Trump’s frustration over the Iran war boiled over at Camp David last week, where he demanded answers from Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth on why he had apparently been misled on extreme munitions shortages that now threaten to limit military options with Iran, two people familiar with the exchange told The Washington Post.

The encounter took place on the sidelines of his Cabinet meeting at Camp David on Friday where Trump vented at Hegseth that he thought the munitions issue “had been fixed,” according to both people familiar with the conversation, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity due to fear of retaliation.

The shortages, particularly in long-range guided missiles and air-defense interceptors, have been part of the reason Trump has pulled back from launching additional massive strikes against Iran in recent days, one of the sources said.

Trump said Monday that he had ordered and subsequently called off “the biggest attack since World War II,” pending claims of new negotiations over the Strait of Hormuz.

The president asserted overnight that the United States has “massive amounts” of munitions, saying in a post on Truth Social that “large amounts are being manufactured and shipped to the U.S. as needed.” The “‘leakers’ of these treasonous statements are being hunted down,” he added.

While the United States has announced new production agreements for some of the most critical munitions, such as Patriot air defense missiles, the munitions themselves can take as long as two years to produce, and there’s no immediate relief in sight for the shortages.

In the first month of fighting alone, the U.S. fired off more than 850 Tomahawk cruise missiles and more than 1,000 Patriot and Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) systems, The Post previously reported.

The U.S. also used more than 1,300 of the Army’s tactical ballistic missiles in the initial weeks of fighting, one U.S. official told The Post. The ATACMs stockpile — a short-range missile also in demand by Ukraine — is drained to the extent that there’s basically none left, said one of the people familiar, an assessment also reported earlier this week by Reuters.

The scarcity of defensive munitions has had an impact beyond the Middle East. Ukraine is running out of air defenses, and there are few options with which to replenish from Western stockpiles, leaving them exposed to Russia’s long-range attacks.

The lack of interceptor missiles is also altering how the U.S. decides whether to employ munitions against an incoming threat, based on where it’s assessed to be heading and whether or not it’s “a factor,” the U.S. official told The Post, a change in tactics that was first reported by NBC News.
Back at Camp David, as he was confronted by Trump over the bare weapons stockpile, Hegseth defended himself and blamed his deputy, Stephen Feinberg, for the shortages and for not ensuring Trump was fully apprised of the issue, both people familiar said.

The exchange underscored Trump’s increasing frustration with his defense secretary, who was one of the biggest early advocates for taking military action against Iran, convincing Trump it would be a quick and relatively easy win, according to multiple officials.

“This is 100% fake news. Literally never happened. And President Trump has the utmost confidence in Secretary Hegseth,” said White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt in response to questions from The Post.
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