That battle is just a spectacle to watch, like the World Series or the Super Bowl. It is tragic, frankly.
You should think about your metaphor, and meditate upon the tragedy of seeing our country through that kind of lens. It’s definitely tragic.
- Doc
I have said this before, I will say it again. Of all this people allowed to post on this forum, I agree with you more than the rest. I also think you are an asshole. But I agree with you more.
And yep. Tragic indeed. I have thought about the metaphor. And I ain't dying on no goddamn hill for this clown show of fake dossiers and media manipulation and spectacle investigations and BS - but I will absolutely sit back and watch it all.
I saw on line where someone said if you zoom in on the SCI/TSCI docs the dates on one matched the dates when Trump pulled out of the Iran Nuclear deal in 2018 - but I couldn't find it in the images.
Washington Post has a breakdown of the picture. I don't know how the crap they are able to make out the dates. I sure can't.
I'm curious what it may mean that the FBI/DOJ chose to obscure the classification marking.
One of the docs was apparently intelligence that was classified in such a way that we wouldn't even share with allies, if I'm understanding correctly.
We've gone the rounds over the issue of populism not being an ideology that is actually "for" anything meaningful. So of course the result is you end up a spectator in a discussion about fundamental attacks on our system of government.
But it opens the door to what hills would you take a stand on? At the core of both the Michigan kidnapping plot and the Trump document scandal is the idea the FBI is acting for political reasons rather than legal ones. The tragedy is apparently from the Republic already being lost rather than endangered. Trump and the MAGA types caught up in a plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan and do her harm are both victims of whatever forces have already stolen the country away and are directing the FBI to interfere in elections and manipulate public opinion rather than enforce the law.
Would you take a stand and state that? Would you die on THAT hill?
We've gone the rounds over the issue of populism not being an ideology that is actually "for" anything meaningful. So of course the result is you end up a spectator in a discussion about fundamental attacks on our system of government.
But it opens the door to what hills would you take a stand on? At the core of both the Michigan kidnapping plot and the Trump document scandal is the idea the FBI is acting for political reasons rather than legal ones. The tragedy is apparently from the Republic already being lost rather than endangered. Trump and the MAGA types caught up in a plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan and do her harm are both victims of whatever forces have already stolen the country away and are directing the FBI to interfere in elections and manipulate public opinion rather than enforce the law.
Would you take a stand and state that? Would you die on THAT hill?
We've gone the rounds over the issue of populism not being an ideology that is actually "for" anything meaningful. So of course the result is you end up a spectator in a discussion about fundamental attacks on our system of government.
But it opens the door to what hills would you take a stand on? At the core of both the Michigan kidnapping plot and the Trump document scandal is the idea the FBI is acting for political reasons rather than legal ones. The tragedy is apparently from the Republic already being lost rather than endangered. Trump and the MAGA types caught up in a plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan and do her harm are both victims of whatever forces have already stolen the country away and are directing the FBI to interfere in elections and manipulate public opinion rather than enforce the law.
Would you take a stand and state that? Would you die on THAT hill?
I disagree with the premise.
Not taking a stand is sufficient to show the premise holds. Thanks.
Not taking a stand is sufficient to show the premise holds. Thanks.
No. It does not. I took a stand that I rejected the premise.
Pay attention. Also, feel free to take your derail discussion and pet topic elsewhere.
It's not a derailment. It's about a fundamental phenomena at the core of the conspiracy thinking that believes the FBI is behaving politically rather than as law enforcement. It is specifically about why some folks such as yourself view it as spectator sport.
In the context of communication, imitation is ridiculous and impossible. If I am talking to you about our kale salad, and you are pretending that green stuff on the plate is spinach and brussel sprouts, we are not connecting. If I am talking to you about the process of a trial, and you are pretending that something completely different is happening, we are not connecting. Imitation is meant to keep people apart, and by people, I mean authentic and real people. Imitation is the wall between people, or to use a better extension of the metaphor, the stage.
It's saying you don't want to talk about reality or engage authentically. That's a choice. But it doesn't mean what you believe and what is behind it isn't on the table like a kale salad.
In my administration, I’m going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law. — Trump August 18, 2016
No one is above the law. He, or his collaborators, stole classified information. Period. You’d have to honestly believe the FBI brought documents to plant in order to believe Trump’s various lies. And even then Trump admitted to taking the docs, so the mental gymnastics one has to perform to ignore reality is just performative at this point.
eta another one:
In my administration, I’m going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law” - August 16, 2016 [C-SPAN]
On Truth Social, Trump is clarifying things about the photo of the documents. Trump is clarified that he did not have them laying around like that, but the FBI took them out of cartons to display and photograph them. It's like he has never seen a drug bust picture where they document with photos what they found. So Trump admits he had the documents in cartons. Even Karl Rove says, classified or not, under the Presidential Records Act no one, not the former president, not his aides, get to remove or retain documents made in the White House.
A commentator: "Trump is like ten minutes from going "the Espionage act requires you to act WILLFULLY and I only acted KNOWINGLY" as his defense"
