Kavanaugh and Perjury

[_EAllusion]

Just read something I hadn't put together that is a bit eye-popping. I already knew that Kavanaugh had claimed not to have ever been to the type of party/get-together Ford described when his own social calendar from the period contradicts him. Kavanaugh also claimed not to know Ford or likely have ever met her. He said they didn't travel in the same social circles. His calendar also makes it clear that he was constantly hanging out with someone she was dating at the time. Unlike the first claim, it's still possible what he said is true, but that's definitely one of those "coloring in the details" facts that you'd expect to be parsed out with sufficient time and attention.

[_moksha]

Whatever you do, don't look up the five F's and boofing in the Urban Dictionary. IF YOU DO, you might become a Renate Alumni and experience the Devil's Triangle. You've been warned.

[_Gunnar]

As I see it so far, in the last two days, as a result of yesterday's hearing and comparing the respective behaviors and testimonies of Dr. Blasey Ford and Brett Kavanaugh, and what went down today, the credibility gap between Blasey Ford and Kavanaugh has become bigger than ever, with the former gaining credibility and Kavanaugh looking more guilty than ever. I can't believe that even the Republican Senators fail to realize that Kavanaugh told some obvious and blatant lies during the hearing. Those lies under oath are perjury and disqualify him for the Supreme Court, even if the sexual assault allegations are bogus. Any Senator, whether Democrat or Republican, who votes to confirm Kavanaugh deserves, at least, to be unceremoniously voted out of office!

[_honorentheos]

Just read something I hadn't put together that is a bit eye-popping. I already knew that Kavanaugh had claimed not to have ever been to the type of party/get-together Ford described when his own social calendar from the period contradicts him. Kavanaugh also claimed not to know Ford or likely have ever met her. He said they didn't travel in the same social circles. His calendar also makes it clear that he was constantly hanging out with someone she was dating at the time. Unlike the first claim, it's still possible what he said is true, but that's definitely one of those "coloring in the details" facts that you'd expect to be parsed out with sufficient time and attention.

Completely agree. As I noted last night - viewtopic.php?p=1146595#p1146595

ETA: To expand on this, I do think today's testimonies undercut the argument that nothing could be learned from an FBI investigation. Today's questioning revealed Ford was dating a close friend of Kavanaugh's that summer (despite Kavanaugh claiming to not recall knowing Ford though it could be possible they had met...), the details of Judge working at a Safeway sometime around 6 weeks after the event according to Ford, which can be cross-referenced with Judge's book and Kavanaugh's calendars to help put the get-together into timeline, the fleshing out of Kavanaugh's social circle through the very last question Mitchell was allowed to ask before the Senators took over...all of that suggests professional investigators could shed real light on the matter.

I was off on expecting reporters to dive in to Judge's background and identify when he worked at the Safeway that came up. But since the FBI will be investigating I suspect the convergence of this detail, Kavanaugh's calendars, Squi being Ford's boyfriend that summer (or whatever the term is for someone she was going out with at the time but not dating) and also one of Kavanaugh's regular hangout buddies - all looks like an obvious point to start.

[_Some Schmo]

Is it just me, or is Drumpf being really sanguine right now? I'm disconcerted by this moment of not attending to his attention grabbing compulsion.

[_Gunnar]

Maybe it is finally beginning to dawn on Trump how his buffoonish, over the top, narcissistic behavior and tweets are having a negative effect his ratings.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Maybe it is finally beginning to dawn on Trump how his buffoonish, over the top, narcissistic behavior and tweets are having a negative effect his ratings.

Possibly:

Just started, tonight, our 7th FBI investigation of Judge Brett Kavanaugh. He will someday be recognized as a truly great Justice of The United States Supreme Court!

Couple that with:

Judge Kavanaugh showed America exactly why I nominated him. His testimony was powerful, honest, and riveting. Democrats’ search and destroy strategy is disgraceful and this process has been a total sham and effort to delay, obstruct, and resist. The Senate must vote!

What do you think will happen in a week when nothing beyond what is known is found? If I had to guess, after this 'FBI INVESTIGATION' wraps up in totes one week, the vote goes party line (with maybe one GOP Senator dissenting for some reason).

- Doc

[Guest]

What do you think will happen in a week when nothing beyond what is known is found? If I had to guess, after this 'FBI INVESTIGATION' wraps up in totes one week, the vote goes party line (with maybe one GOP Senator dissenting for some reason).

- Doc

Let's hope that doesn't happen! I share your fear that it will, though.

ETA: Another thing that scares me is that even if both Collins and Murkowski vote against Kavanaugh, and are joined by Flake, it is still not a sure thing he will be rejected. There are at least 4 Democrat Senators who seem to be on the fence on this issue.

[_Kevin Graham]

But alas, im that 3rd option - the realist, whereas it was remarkably clear that Ford had no credibility for her allegation; was (at best) a pawn; and was dishonest.

But alas, you're in that minority fringe group with Alex Jones. Even some of the most biased Republicans said she was credible. You're dumping all your eggs into this basket of her lying about being afraid to fly, all the while ignoring the more than half dozen lies by Kavanaugh. You know, the guy interviewing for a spot on Supreme Court. This proves he is not only a liar, but unethical and has no respect for the truth. Precisely the exact opposite of what we should want on the Supreme Court. But alas, you're Republicans. Integrity is like a four lettered word.

1. In 2004, Kavanaugh said he was not involved in the handling of the controversial nomination of federal Judge William Pryor. That was a lie. E-mails later showed that he was involved.

2. Kavanaugh was asked if he was involved with a scheme to steal Democratic staff e-mails related to judicial confirmations. He lied about it. E-mails showed that he was involved.

3. In 2006, Kavanaugh was asked if he was involved in the controversial nomination of federal Judge Charles Pickering. He lied about that too and said he was not.

4. In 2006, Kavanaugh was asked about his role in the nomination of William Haynes, the Pentagon general counsel involved in creating the Bush administration’s interrogation policies. He lied about that.

5. He said the term “devil’s triangle” in his yearbook entry referred to a drinking game. Google it. It doesn’t.

6. He said the word “boof” referred to flatulence. Again, no.

7. Then there was his assertion that his yearbook description of himself as a “Renate Alumnius” was meant only to signify his friendship with Renate Dolphin, a woman who attended another school and socialized with Kavanaugh. Other football players were described as “Renate Alumni.” We know what they intended to insinuate. You know what they meant to insinuate. Everyone knows. Senators may never be able to establish with forensic certainty that Kavanaugh’s entry was intended as a sexual boast, but they’re allowed to use common sense.

[_Gunnar]

Even Fox news said she was credible, and it is certainly very far from established that she was lying about having a fear of flying. Arguing that as evidence against her credibility is the very flimsiest of straws. On the other hand, it is very well established that Kavanaugh has been caught in telling demonstrable untruths, like it or not! His willingness to lie, even under oath, is probably one of the biggest reasons Trump is so eager to see him confirmed! Furthermore, Kavanaugh cannot possibly be unaware of the fact that he has been exposed as a liar. If I were him, I would feel at least some trepidation about that!